[quote=So Boerd] I will respond to the points raised in more detail when I have the time and inclination, but as far as I can tell, nobody contests suicide is only ever chosen based on personal concerns without regard to others, yes? That is selfish by definition, so we can settle that element of the discussion. [/quote] Buying a hamburger instead of donating the extra money to those who need it more than you is selfish also. A lot of things people do is selfish. I'd go as far as claiming selfishness is a pillar of both survival and happiness. Maybe not the one burger, though. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to convey.