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OT been's quiet for some time now and I'm getting exhausted of my only discussion being if ______ holds up to ______ group or not.

So here's a serious topic to munch on.
Vaccines? Do you support them? Are you against them? Are you unsure/have doubts?

My Ultimate Knowledge on the field is limited so my opinion piece should be brief (Unless if someone gives me a long post to reply to), but I'll wait a bit before posting it.
It's bad practice to set the tone of a thread with a certain stance/viewpoint right when it starts.
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"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
~Ben Franklin, as Poor Richard.

Ben Franklin's son died in 1736 from smallpox, age 4.
-The modern smallpox vaccine wasn't developed until 1798, and took a further 2 years for the first serums to reach America.
-Beforehand, there was a vaccine developed by Charles Maitland, in 1718. It was hailed as "a useful invention".
-Pasteur didn't invent his process until the 1850's :/

The 1718 version was, of course, little more than rubbing fecal matter of the infected upon oneself and hoping the infection isn't going to be particularily strong, and won't be hitting you when your immune system is down and infrastructure has collapsed on itself.

So yeah, go back to 1735 in a time machine with Jenner's Cowpox-vaccine, show it to Mr Franklin, tell him what it does, then try leaving.