[quote=So Boerd] Wait wait wait, so you think there will be enough who will offer to work for less that the whole labor force is screwed? It is my body. If I can kill myself, why can't I work for too little? [/quote] You're new to OT so I'll just leave it as a warning this time. It is bad practice to bring up past debate's into a current one, [u]especially[/u] when it's being used to disprove someone. Someone's stance/argument should be judged and evaluated on that stance/argument, not on past arguments they made. Now, everyone's guilty of slip ups here including me. But in good practice separate debates should remain separate debates unless if both parties agree to bring it up, but even then it's usually because it's actually relevant to the current debate happening. More often than not though, you'll find thread separation to handle it such as say debating feminism/sexism and one of the topics comes up for women's rights in Abortion. Instead of having an abortion debate inside the feminism debate it is taken to a separate thread to handle abortion specifically. [quote=So Boerd] Good spin, Brovo, however the number I cited was unemployment, not labor participation. That means, of X black teenagers looking for work, 35 percent cannot find jobs compared with 20 percent of white teenagers.If you want to play booming economy, Black teenage unemployment in 1930, not a booming economy, was lower than white teenage unemployment. So the racists established a minimum wage to keep black workers out. [/quote] And Brovo's argument still covered this... African American's on average are still in less well off cultures and more likely to held up in things like gangs. And people in those situations regardless of race are less likely to be hired than say people who are in an area that provides a good education and gives people more time to practice hobbies, interest and studying rather than say having to sign up to a gang. And this is not a case of "minimum wage made to keep out black workers" at all. We've already established the effects of on average less education, worse communities and increases gang activities. All of which make hurt someone's ability/value as a worker. In a time where say minimum wage didn't exist people could get paid for pitiful amounts. On average black people were valued for less, both out of racism and for increased probability of being exposed to things that reduce ones ability to work well. Any smart business person would hire more black people simply because they were cheaper, it makes more economic sense like how MDK highlighted as well. Once a minimum wage was set though you couldn't do that, you had to pay at least a set amount for the worker so naturally the conditions/requirements went higher. Now instead of paying say 3$ an hour you now have to pay 9$ an hour or something. This would make people act/think along the lines of "Now... if I have to pay a whole 9$ an hour for a worker now... I don't want it spent on someone whose in gangs and has no education, I want it on someone who can focus on the work and have a decent understanding of it", and since do to cultural situations white people on average are better educated/suited than black people it makes sense the employment rate changes by race. If you go into the black dominant communities though and improve it, give better education, get rid of gang activity etc. Then you'll eventually see them all on an equal playing field, and only then can racism be claimed to be going on if the number's don't match.