[quote=So Boerd]Uh, whether he successfully implemented Communism is irrelevant. Those people who died died for Communism.[/quote] Because remember: [i]You can die for a thing that doesn't exist[/i]. [quote=So Boerd]Regardless of your false assertions about tge Dark Ages, which are patently so, People do dumb thing in the name of all ideologies or doctrines.[/quote] No, they aren't. Just... Look at the Dark Ages. Look at them. Look at any history from that period. It's usually "the church didn't like X, so it had it killed/repressed." Or, "the monarchy didn't like X, so it had it killed/repressed, and used the authority of God to do so." [quote=So Boerd]What if your Congress thought sea levels were going to rise 20 in a decade? Or thought that killing all the academics was needed for the proletariat?[/quote] Nobody did either of those things. ...And, my country doesn't [i]have[/i] a congress, I'm Canadian, but, then, you don't read, why would you ever know such a thing like that? :lol [quote=So Boerd]Nobody is taking about establishing a state church, we are talking about things loke Christmas Trees and "Under God" in a voluntary pledge. If you think those things will cause a governmental collapse, you are silly.[/quote] Nobody's banning Christmas Trees and the original pledge of allegiance did not invoke any kind of divine authority. Nor did the original version of your currency. All things you should know if you had even an inkling of knowledge of the history of your own country. But you don't. Because you're a troll, and you're just seeking a rise out of people by using the most batshit arguments and ignoring counterpoints in favour of filling in things nobody said or implied. A huge chunk of my argument was devoted to denying the idea of religion or communism being evil, and that people used them as scapegoats to do bad things. But, again, you ignored that, because you can't read, or because you're a troll, it's rather irrelevant at this point, isn't it? Ah well.