[quote=gamer5]
I chuckled at the religion being good for science thing - it was hilarious due to the fact that over and over in history we see that states highly controlled by religion sooner or later start to work against science, with Christianity being just one of religions which did this.As for your arguments writing was discovered for the needs of trade some 5000 years ago in ancient Mesopotamia.Even before Christianity spread trough the Roman Empire German tribes begun to settle in the Roman Empire and become literate.Cyril letters were created by priests because at that time the Church eliminated anyone with the knowledge of linguistic except themselves naturally. The printing press was invented in China and Gutenberg only improved it.Both the Academia of Athens and Great Library of Alexandria to were crushed in the name of religion. Even today India is struggling to shake out of the Caste System imposed by Hindu priests. Aztecs sacrificed incredible amounts of people to appeal to their gods. So much wrong came from unions between states and religions that the risks heavily outweigh any possible rewards. Trough it is not that religions are a bad thing but when they are joined with the state it usually resulted inbad things.
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Maybe usually. Christianity has, however, gotten rid of foot binding in the Far East, not to mention widow burning in India, and cannibalism in different parts of the world. I'm not saying that the Church being the same as the State is good. I'm just saying that the Church has done plenty of good people either dismiss, don't agree with or would rather lie about. 

As for the European Paganism/German thing. While you do have your points, some of them are not pertinent. For one thing, the tenants of genuine Christianity is not the same thing as priests or people who pretend to be Believers of Jesus joining the Church for political gain/power. For another thing, genuine adherence to Christianity has certainly been a great boon for societies when it's tenants are followed consistently, in addition to the removal of foot binding, widow burning, and cannibalism. For example, Pat Robertson, as absurd the things he says often is, seems to genuinely be a caring man, by organizing the Seven Hundred Club to feed starving people who need help. 
The Bible explicitly says that we are to be compassionate towards the Orphan, the Widow, and "To do violence to no man". To not be angry with reason, and of course, to "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars". 

Christianity is a religion of order, which makes it easier to work with people in authority, at least under certain favorable conditions. It isn't likely with the hostility towards Christianity these days, that it should ever find it's place in genuine power again. There's too much prejudiced, half truths and misleading entrendes, inuendos and bald faced lies covering history, and educational institutions. What Humans don't understand is that it's time to stop coating their minds with mental junk food like the clinical psychobabble that infests our judicial systems, the hypocritical, mind-mulchingly obnoxious double standards spewing from the mouths of the diarretics like Doctor Spock, Richard Dawkins, Henry Kissinger (called our soldiers useless hunks of meat, basically), and yes, our own dear Presidente' in Messianic Annointed One In Chief, Barrack Obama (Sounds like a Klingon name), Diane Feinstein, and the Posthumous blow hards like John Dewey, Margaret Sanger, and Christopher Hitchens. 

Pretend, that Dawkins and Hitchens were right about Evolution just for a moment. I have listened to their bullshit plenty of times, and I will not for a moment believe they actually want you to "Think For you're self". They immediately jump to the conclusion, at least from what I've seen, that you are a bloody imbecile, if you don't believe in Evolution. This kind of attitude is VERY strong in secular blowhards like them. The spirit of freedom is not so strong when covered with the Secular Papal Bull that progressive serpents and goats want our America to be enslaved under. 

Under proper Christian tenants and the right man in the White House, we would not have someone so disrespectful (if not out right Anti-semetic) to Israel as Barrack Obama in office. We would have Jew lovers in office. :|
Not some inhospitable Jack-Ass in Chief that bad mouths the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netenyahu, to some blow hard across the world somewhere on his visit to the Capitol, and who would force him to wait while he ate dinner with his staff/family. 
Or would give an incredibly crude gesture to a foreign head of state while on the phone with him. (Google it, or I can google it for you).
We would not have to worry about Drones killing us on American soil. 
We would not have had a weirdo Senator (Barrack Obama) wanting to back a bill that if passed, would allow infants who survived botched abortion attempts to be starved to death. 
We wouldn't have weirdos sentencing a man in Arizona to a jail sentence for having a Bible service on his own property on a flimsy, lame as all Hell technical excuse. 
We wouldn't have that Waco crap. . . That Ruby Ridge Crap, or that Bundee Crap going on now. 
Would a Christian leader lie about the Benghazi incident?

This Jack Ass In Chief didn't inherit what he made. He has turned the death of our nation's power and credibility into a macabre master piece of gibbering horror, regret and underhanded cunning met with the cooperation of the weirdoes who were gullible and insane enough to vote for him. 

[quote]I doubt that anyone here is attacking religion - hell I care if you believe in God or that cows are sacred animals - all we ask is that you don't bring any religious beliefs into government(s). Is that to much to ask?[/Quote]

If you don't have things compatible with Christianity in the government, culture and civilization then you get this. 
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