You weren't the one ignoring the different points and simply trolling the thread. So I'll bother replying to this post, still not wasting my time on So Boerd though. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]Maybe usually. Christianity has, however, gotten rid of foot binding in the Far East, not to mention widow burning in India, and cannibalism in different parts of the world. I'm not saying that the Church being the same as the State is good. I'm just saying that the Church has done plenty of good people either dismiss, don't agree with or would rather lie about.[/quote] To claim no religious people ever went out to help people would be a lie, so I admit people have done some good under religion. But you can say the same for most religions/beliefs, good people in an otherwise nasty religion wanting to help people. But this still does nothing to prove the Religion correct, which you do need to address if you want one in State. Then even if there's some good in the Religion, there is a lot of bad such as homophobia, supporting rape, kidnapping, theft, murder, slavery etc. which we can't ignore. It's almost the same as saying "Look at the Nazi's, sure they killed 6 million Jews in terribly inhumane ways. Responsible for many rapes, slaves, murders, thefts, kidnappings etc. But did you see the good they did with the Boy scouts?". Also technically speaking, Cannibalism has nothing wrong to it. It's cultural difference, where we have been raised that it's respectful to our dead to bury them. Other culture's respect their dead by eating the corpse. Logically speaking both are fine and do no harm. But in a society where we have been raised to see Canabalism as immoral it is [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTBIQDPZt4]something where initial reactions are going to be taken back.[/url] If you're meaning the catching/kidnapping and murder of people for the purpose of eating them then you're right. That is wrong. But that isn't wrong for the fact they are consuming human flesh, it's wrong because you murdered people. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]As for the European Paganism/German thing. While you do have your points, some of them are not pertinent. For one thing, the tenants of genuine Christianity is not the same thing as priests or people who pretend to be Believers of Jesus joining the Church for political gain/power. For another thing, genuine adherence to Christianity has certainly been a great boon for societies when it's tenants are followed consistently, in addition to the removal of foot binding, widow burning, and cannibalism. For example, Pat Robertson, as absurd the things he says often is, seems to genuinely be a caring man, by organizing the Seven Hundred Club to feed starving people who need help. The Bible explicitly says that we are to be compassionate towards the Orphan, the Widow, and "To do violence to no man". To not be angry with reason, and of course, to "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars".[/quote] This is assuming stuff like rape, murder etc is not supported in the Bible. Which it does. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]Christianity is a religion of order, which makes it easier to work with people in authority, at least under certain favorable conditions. It isn't likely with the hostility towards Christianity these days, that it should ever find it's place in genuine power again. There's too much prejudiced, half truths and misleading entrendes, inuendos and bald faced lies covering history, and educational institutions. What Humans don't understand is that it's time to stop coating their minds with mental junk food like the clinical psychobabble that infests our judicial systems, the hypocritical, mind-mulchingly obnoxious double standards spewing from the mouths of the diarretics like Doctor Spock, Richard Dawkins, Henry Kissinger (called our soldiers useless hunks of meat, basically), and yes, our own dear Presidente' in Messianic Annointed One In Chief, Barrack Obama (Sounds like a Klingon name), Diane Feinstein, and the Posthumous blow hards like John Dewey, Margaret Sanger, and Christopher Hitchens.[/quote] It's all pretty accurate accounts of people being murdered and killed in the name of Religion. And really only takes a little looking in the Bible to find that God is more than ok with these sorts of acts. And in a society where Christianity has been the main force behind things such as homophobia, racism, anti-vaccine, anti-science etc? It's pretty understandable as to why people do not like Christianity. Also how do you think people like Dawkins, Hitchen's etc. have double standards? [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]Pretend, that Dawkins and Hitchens were right about Evolution just for a moment.[/quote] No pretending needed, Evolution is a proven scientific fact. The only thing that can be proven better is the theory of Gravity. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]I have listened to their bullshit plenty of times, and I will not for a moment believe they actually want you to "Think For you're self". They immediately jump to the conclusion, at least from what I've seen, that you are a bloody imbecile, if you don't believe in Evolution.[/quote] I will admit they do react pretty hostile to Religion and religious folk. But they're reasoning is that it is far too common to see Religion censor their followers. For example, a child is born into a strong Christian family. They tell him evolution is false, God is real and not to question it. If he does question this he is declared to be speaking blashphemy, and he is almost never given answers outside of "Because God/The Bible says so". He is punished for thinking, and he is punished for asking questions. Science doesn't do this, it encourages asking questions and testing them. That's the whole point of experiments and studies, asking why something happens and finding it out, rather than simply saying "Oh we already know the answer, it's god" and leaving it at that. Religion is effectively stopping many people from being free thinkers, and this holds back technology, medicine, education, and one's very ability to learn if they are taught asking questions is a bad thing and/or that they already have all the answers. So for people of science and learning like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens to not take kindly to religion makes sense, it infringes on every last thing that they stand for and that has been proven to not only be true, but help and benefit society. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]This kind of attitude is VERY strong in secular blowhards like them. The spirit of freedom is not so strong when covered with the Secular Papal Bull that progressive serpents and goats want our America to be enslaved under.[/quote] The wording here is throwing me off. :/ Are you saying that the Pope is a bad thing wanting to in slave people? Or that he's the opposite? Either way I will note my knowledge on the Pope specifically is not the best. However generally the Pope has proven to be a bit more agreeable than many Christians. But even then you got glaring issues such as covering up the molesting/rape of little boys by priests, the fact they advocate helping the poor but go around with Golden Crosses and the like etc. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]Under proper Christian tenants and the right man in the White House, we would not have someone so disrespectful (if not out right Anti-semetic) to Israel as Barrack Obama in office. We would have Jew lovers in office. :|[/quote] The hatred of Jew's is something I never understood from Christianity. They were meant to be the original followers, plus Jesus himself was meant to be Jewish. So the fact they see Jewish as something bad... That's just one of the more puzzling contradictions that Christianity has. :/ [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]We would not have to worry about Drones killing us on American soil.[/quote] How exactly would Christianity prevent this? o.O Christianity has been proven time and time again to be one of the most violent things in human history. If anything I'd expect more drones, only it's aimed at "Blasphemy speakers" or those who aren't Christian. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]We would not have had a weirdo Senator (Barrack Obama) wanting to back a bill that if passed, would allow infants who survived botched abortion attempts to be starved to death.[/quote] Since when was this ever a law? [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]We wouldn't have weirdos sentencing a man in Arizona to a jail sentence for having a Bible service on his own property on a flimsy, lame as all Hell technical excuse.[/quote] Is this one of those "War on God" things? I don't recall any case of someone being arrested for having a service. What's the source of this? I have a feeling this was less a service and more forcing kids to listen to something they didn't want to be at. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]We wouldn't have that Waco crap. . . That Ruby Ridge Crap, or that Bundee Crap going on now.[/quote] How exactly would these cases be stopped by Christianity? From what I gathered on these cases (which isn't much cause google isn't recognizing the terms being used), Christianity would cause more deaths in the name of god. It would do nothing to prevent them. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]Would a Christian leader lie about the Benghazi incident?[/quote] Lying about incidient's has nothing to do with Religion and more "Does this info coming out expose/inconvenience us? Yes? Cover it up", you don't need to be part of any Religion to be guilty of this. But if anything Religion is definitely guilty of covering things up/lying about them, for one easy example the molesting/rape of little boys by priests. [quote=ActRaiserTheReturned]This Jack Ass In Chief didn't inherit what he made. He has turned the death of our nation's power and credibility into a macabre master piece of gibbering horror, regret and underhanded cunning met with the cooperation of the weirdoes who were gullible and insane enough to vote for him.[/quote] Oh yes, cause that's totally what a world leader wants, to sabotage the country they lead. :P