[quote=So Boerd] The recent text walls are too much for me to hit on my phone, just letting you all know I read them. With a few divergent points, I think we have done the impossible on the internet and reached a consensus on the policy side of things. Nobody wants religion to get taxpayer money or force of government, nobody wants any parts of religion mandatory, and nobody has any problem with people using their religiously derived values system in voting. Got that right so far?The only reason I want the decor voted on and built with private money as opposed to letting anyone set up what they want is that, sorry to say, the Kim Jong Un personality cult beer can tower has no place at a Christmas celebration. Were it not for ridiculous and confrontational stuff like that (That was hypothetical, but it has happened that people put up obnoxious things) I would have no problem. [/quote] Agreed. [img]http://mises.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/peace-dove.gif[/img] [quote=The Nexerus] The Catholic regions of Germany were the regions most prominently opposed to the Nazi Party, and subsequently least likely to vote for it. Catholicism had always been the enemy of hard-line German nationalists, going back to Bismarck's Kulturkampf. The Catholic Church's degrees of opposition to Hitler, from the beginning, far outweighed any and all degrees of cooperation, or even acceptance, at any point in his regime. You're forgetting how popular Hitler (or at least some of his views) were in Germany—the vast majority of citizens of the Weimar Republic were opposed to things like the Treaty of Versailles.If Hitler was Christian, he was a self-hating Christian. [/quote] Hitler was, and used it as a tool for control. You are right about the Catholics often voting against him, but a big part of it was that they, too, were a targeted minority. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat]Didn't stop the Vatican from trying to leave the others to die by signing a deal with the devil[/url], though, being the Nazi Party was about as trustworthy as a person [i]actively trying to backstab you[/i] can be... :hehe Still. Yes, I suppose I did make it sound like the religious universally loved him. No, they didn't, most certainly not. [quote=The Nexerus] Criticism of American industry that uses false information to make misleading statements is Anti-American. Lying, outright, to make negative claims against the United States, is Anti-American. I don't know how you could possibly disagree with that. If it was legitimate criticism then I'd only say it was anti-American for its tone, but if it's using and citing statistical information that's simply incorrect, it can't possibly be constructive. [/quote] I have no strong position on it as I have yet to see it personally. I wouldn't call it Anti-American if it holds negative views of America. I'd called it Anti-American if it actively seeks to repress and exterminate American culture, ethics, ideology, politics, people, and so on, which, again, I haven't seen it, so I have no idea if it does. If it's not constructive though, it's a pile of shit either way. I can agree on that.