[quote=Supreme Vampiric Evil] Before any of that there was White line of games. Those games are where that whole thing started to gain a foothold in peoples imaginations. Without Vampire: The Masquerade and Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Vampires & Werewolves would likely still be considered allies. However, by the opposite side of that coin; those games went miles toward refining the concept of vampire & werwolf cultures & societies. Andwithout that,the popular imagination might still consider both monsters to be little more than demonic brutes. [/quote] So the same thing that made them rivals also helped to refine details about them, leading to them being what we know them as today. This is interesting history and i love it.