[quote=So Boerd] Another misunderstanding. That John chapter said nothing was made which was made without him. Obviously He did not create that which was not made. Clearly you don't think God made Himself?First in time, or first as in supremacy? Genesis says God made the Heaven and the earth.And, no, that is not what Genesis says. [/quote] ... Read the book of Genesis. God creates the Heavens and the Earth as his first act. Then he makes humans. :lol That's in canonical order in every modern version of the bible I know of. And first in time probably. Considering he said "first and last", "alpha and omega", and most importantly, "[b]beginning and ending[/b]". And congratulations you've stumbled on a serious problem with god. If god made the universe, who made god? Is there an eternal stretching conga line of creators for creators? ... Or, maybe, just... You know... Possible... It's a fictional book... And the authors didn't think about that little plot hole.