[quote=So Boerd] You dodged the question. What is the minimum specific evidence I must produce.@Bible citations. I have answered the John citation. Second, it is clear that all things does not mean all things. That John citation proves it by providing clarification. All things which were made were made by Him. Regarding the others, they in no way contradict my points. [/quote] I never dodged it, that is the minimum. Beating Science, even if Religion is get's some kind of evidence I'm not suddenly going to convert when Science still has even more evidence. Especially when said religious proof doesn't even point towards a specific god. And the John citations are saying you need to forgiven, and that he made [u]everything.[/u] It's not proving your point at all, you argued things like our individuality wasn't made by him which Johns disagrees with. You also argued that you don't need to be forgiven, which Johns also disagrees with. And the rest of the quotes very clearly contradict your points. They are saying the exact opposite of what you're saying. -> You say we don't need forgiveness -> Bible says you do -> You say certain things of us weren't made by him -> Bible says everything was made by him -> You say he didn't make everything -> Bible says God made everything