[quote=Brovo]This whole thing sounds nice except that it still doesn't really get past the fact that God sets up an impossible test, dooms people he preprogrammed to be destined for doom, then proclaims total righteousness whilst condemning people to eternal purgatory for otherwise non-eternal crimes. EDIT Oh, and, yeah. No evidence for him. Whatsoever. Skepticism decrees I can't buy that. EDIT #2 On second thought, nahh, forget the citations. Your argument isn't really all that bad, it's a different view. [/quote] While I agree the test which is set by the Abrahamic God (if we assume he is the same God in the sense that they all believe in this test) is a very difficult one, I wouldn't say it is impossible, there are numerous ways of coming to an answer, and there is nothing to say any are wrong or right. The point of a test is we only ever know that once it is done. On your second two points, the issue of free will vs. destiny is enormous, if we were to delve into that it would take a long time. Maybe when I am not half asleep, but I agree with you that it does appear contradictory, though there are those who would be more than happy to tell us how it doesn't - and I certainly don't mind exploring the arguments when I have time to write. We must take into account that while the reward in the after life is eternal, the Abrahamic faiths, and their various sects, actually differ on whether punishment is eternal or has a fixed time before God forgives the 'wrong-doers.' Thus non-eternal crimes, certain interpretations would argue, are punished with non-eternal 'sentences.' As for evidences, that is really a personal matter. I outlined how I believe the closest thing to the scientific method/process can be used on the God issue, and as long as we live we'll just research and learn more till we are convinced for or against. It is a life long journey which we should never close at any stage in our lives, because then we allow for stubbornness and intolerance of different viewpoints to set-in, which is never good, and I am glad to see you're quite open to acknowledging another view.