[quote=So Boerd]No, I would not, however, I don't pretend to be rational.[/quote] We didn't start the fiiire~ [quote=So Boerd]Now you claim there is some objective way to demonstrate fantasy and not only that, a quantifiable way. What are those parameters?[/quote] Already gave you them. The more things I have to believe to believe the claim and the more it defies common logic, the greater the evidence has to be in order for me to believe it. Lots of Susies versus Susie being able to light people on fire with her mind. I'm not sure what you find confusing about that. [quote=So Boerd]What prevents me from deciding that a giant hole in space is more ridiculous than an enormous invisible bear who moves things in the patterns scientists have seen?[/quote] The fact that there [i]is[/i] evidence for giant holes in space that suck things in. Very observable evidence. That you can observe. At any time you want to. While the giant invisible bear has no observable evidence, and therefore, well... You know I could say the same thing twenty times but I don't think you care to listen. [quote=So Boerd]I have never seen space holes, but I have seen bears and I know they can move things.[/quote] But no bears have ever been invisible, and we've never found a bear with the capacity to turn invisible. And you probably have seen a space hole. It's called a black hole. One is at the centre of our galaxy. It eats things that get too close to it. It has a giant fuck off gravity well that even eats light. It's actually extremely visible because of this.