[quote=Vortex]
Yes, that reminds me we should probably get back to the original topic. I agree with you Kho that we should have a debate about it, and learn from it but it is not the original question, if you guys want to talk about wether God exists or not (he doesn't FYI) then go make another thread, but this is not the place for it
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Just because you think so doesn't make it true, nor does it make it false. A while back, people used to think that the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around the Earth, and anyone who thought otherwise was seen as a wishful idiot. Point is, there's no way of knowing one way or another to make a definitive statement, and there's a lot of things science can't quite answer, namely what came before the Big Bang or why does the universe even exist in the first place. There's a lot we don't know, and if people wish to subscribe to faith, let them. It doesn't make them ignorant or unintelligent, especially since a lot of scientists are openly religious, and they're a hell of a lot more intelligent than you or I. The whole point of having faith is just that; you don't have to have a math equation to prove something exists in your heart and soul. The only time it becomes a problem is when people use faith as a crutch to hate other people for what they believe, which not paradoxically is exactly what a lot of hardliner atheists do. 

Let's put this in another light, you believe in a communist political system that historically has no precedence of success or feasibility given human nature and how there's several factors working against it ever happening as it was intended. You have faith it could work and would be best for humanity moving forward, without any solid evidence it would ever work out or even be practical. Is that not similar to a religious person having faith that there's a God, even though there's no concrete, measurable evidence of there being a God? 

So cut the inflammatory rhetoric because it's not doing you any favours. The key to having intelligent discussion with people is to respect that their perspectives will differ from yours. The world isn't black and white.