[quote=Dervish]
Just because you think so doesn't make it true, nor does it make it false. A while back, people used to think that the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around the Earth, and anyone who thought otherwise was seen as a wishful idiot. Point is, there's no way of knowing one way or another to make a definitive statement, and there's a lot of things science can't quite answer, namely what came before the Big Bang or why does the universe even exist in the first place. There's a lot we don't know, and if people wish to subscribe to faith, let them. It doesn't make them ignorant or unintelligent, especially since a lot of scientists are openly religious, and they're a hell of a lot more intelligent than you or I. The whole point of having faith is just that; you don't have to have a math equation to prove something exists in your heart and soul. The only time it becomes a problem is when people use faith as a crutch to hate other people for what they believe, which not paradoxically is exactly what a lot of hardliner atheists do. Let's put this in another light, you believe in a communist political system that historically has no precedence of success or feasibility given human nature and how there's several factors working against it ever happening as it was intended. You have faith it could work and would be best for humanity moving forward, without any solid evidence it would ever work out or even be practical. Is that not similar to a religious person having faith that there's a God, even though there's no concrete, measurable evidence of there being a God? So cut the inflammatory rhetoric because it's not doing you any favours. The key to having intelligent discussion with people is to respect that their perspectives will differ from yours. The world isn't black and white.
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Dear god, someone actually listened to my rambling about communism. I do agree yes, there is a lot of factors against communism but unlike God (who has equal, if not more evidence against it) it is not a entity but a political system with many experts in the field of political theory. Now you may say that there are many priests in the field of religion who may be considered experts of such, but how can you be "expert" in a field which studies a entity that may or may not exist. Communism does not physically exist ether, but nobody claims it to be a entity which created the universe but merely a political and economic system in which we govern ourselves.

Look when I said "He doesn't FYI" it was supposed to be young and cheek and not supposed to rally the libertarian army against me. Now let's get back to Church and state. If you want to talk about god himself (herself? Itself?) go make a thread about that. If you want to talk politics go to the political ideology thread. Just stay on topic.