[quote=Vortex] Dear god, someone actually listened to my rambling about communism. I do agree yes, there is a lot of factors against communism but unlike God (who has equal, if not more evidence against it) it is not a entity but a political system with many experts in the field of political theory. Now you may say that there are many priests in the field of religion who may be considered experts of such, but how can you be "expert" in a field which studies a entity that may or may not exist. Communism does not physically exist ether, but nobody claims it to be a entity which created the universe but merely a political and economic system in which we govern ourselves.Look when I said "He doesn't FYI" it was supposed to be young and cheek and not supposed to rally the libertarian army against me. Now let's get back to Church and state. If you want to talk about god himself (herself? Itself?) go make a thread about that. If you want to talk politics go to the political ideology thread. Just stay on topic. [/quote] I would rather that we go back to the discussion like I have. I'ts about Church and State involvement. Not necessarily whether God exists or not, even if Christianity is what we mean by Church and State.