[quote=Vortex] Then why do you have the OT in the bible if it does not apply to you? Geez if you really think that, go talk to a fundamentalist... Or a Mormon!And since you never gave us any substantial evidence in the first place, we won a long long time ago. [/quote] No, if you refuse to provide evidence, then you have no possible superior claim to government, meaning religion and state are just as tolerable as atheism and state which you demonstrate is equally ddogmatic, therefore, I won the original purpose of the thread