[quote=GreivousKhan] Thinking in it, it kind of makes sense. After all what do the Orc's love more then a good fight? It may not be as hard as we might think, perhaps they have silently been observing what has been taking place on the main continent, have seen the foolishness of men cause the Oblivion Crisis, perhaps they might share their bother Mer's concerns that the race of man will destroy itself and all of them with it if left unchecked and unguided. The Races of men are young after all and have much to learn. It's kind of a bio copy of the Thalmor's goals sure, but it's not implausible and self preservation is a strong enough notion to make such a drastic change. Perhaps the Thalmor have been feeding them lies the entire time about the Empires plans to invade them, or maybe their over fishing, I don't know. But there are a few possibilities. [/quote] Wasn't it the foolishness of Eleves, since Mankar was Altmer?