[quote=So Boerd] So why make it a condition? Either do it or don't, but it has nothing to do with keystone. [/quote] I... what? [i]That's my exact point[/i] - that we should be investing in alternate energy. I mentioned Keystone because that's what the whole thread - the gateway into the conversation - was about, so of course I was discussing the issue [i]in relevance to Keystone.[/i] I don't give a crap about Keystone, I live in the UK. My point was that sure, we have to let things like Keystone go ahead 'cause overall they're beneficial in the current circumstances, despite the negative effects, but that we should be working to change those circumstances so we don't have to have those "necessary evils" in future.