[quote=duck55223] I like to point out that where as the in the Collective they loose most of there independence, where as with the Pact most they are independent nations. Its just a economic, scientific, and military union, sorta of like the EU and IRL, but the EU bad. [/quote] Being stereotypically utopian of course the Equiis pact is going to be more "independent", but independence isn't inherently good, you know, it just appears that way to humans. You need to stop thinking about everything from a human pov. From the view points of the collectives races, the Collective is good. You cant insult people unless its true (Try having your honour offended when you can have the other person charged for it), the highest achieving rule (And highest achieving can also mean mighty soldiers, philosophers, statesmen and leaders, can't it?) They get access to technology they would otherwise never get to spread themselves even further now they have overrun their world (The Corruptelae Insectum would likely never reach space stage. Due to the Empress deal with the Primicerii, they can now spread across galaxies instead of being confined to a single planet) Also, how independent are these Equiis pact? This may sound very conspiracy theorist, but everything the pact does seems to further Equestrian aims only, it seems quite clear they are the main beneficiary here xD