[quote=darkwolf687] But most places have battle mages of their own, who might not be as skilled but many will be able to hold their own long enough their allies can kill 'em, and we are talking majorly different here too. Lets say we slash the Thalmor number by 7000 due to the great war and the Elves slow replacement of these losses (it could potentially be even less troops, as Khan said 25,515 at best without a counting the great war) then compare that to Hammerfells 33,000. It's almost half the size, the Redguards have about a 15,000 lead on them, and that's a large number advantage. Not saying it's be a walk in the park (Thalmor Battlemages are strong, as you said) but the Redguard definitely hold a fair advantage there I think. [/quote] I should note these are numbers I got without including the major cities, (as there is simply not enough information on them to get an even rough estimate on their population, geesh, and I though the beast races would be hard) so we could see a few hundred more, still in all it seems the loss of Valenwood and Elsweyr hurt the Dominion more then I thought. It by no means equals to an easy victory, but not at all an impossibility. [quote=Fisheye] You have a point, I'm just trying to emphasize that taking out the Thalmor should not be a walk in a park by any means, and should require at least some form of a coalition. All sorts factors would come in to play with an open war between the Thalmor and anyone else (for example, transporting an army to Summerset, a behemoth and sluggish task in and of itself), so I'm just proposing that we don't get too caught up in numbers, as they're only one factor of many. This brings me to another point, we really should get someone to man Summerset for this RP. It's likely that they'll get into a war at some point, and without a player at the helm of the defenders it's a rather uneven match-up. Not that I don't trust the people participating, but it usually turns out better if pivotal wars are fought between RPers and NPCs, as 99% of the time the RPers fabricate a way for themselves to win, fair or otherwise. I've been trying to convince a couple of RL friends to join as Summerset, but they'd both be new to RPing (though both are familiar with TES and one is an avid writer). Anyway, a RP Guild local would probably be quicker and simpler, so if anyone has a buddy in mind... [/quote] It would be nice if Summerset had a player at the helm, the problem with that is few people if any one wants to be the main baddy everyone and their mother wants to pound into the ground. I mean their allies abandoned them at a drop of a hat before the RP ever even started... Heck I'm hoping the reclusive sea elves will come to the Thalmor's rescue.