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No, really. Think about it. I've never called for you to be censored just because you're religious. In fact, back on the old guild, I was the one that made the thread asking people to explain why the were religious or not religious and called for everyone to respect each other, universally, then took genuine interest in each person's response, to try and better understand each perspective.

I don't agree with your religion, on several points, on multiple levels. By no stretch of the imagination does this make me intolerant of your religion, nor is it intolerance to openly question and criticize it, because I'm not dehumanizing you--[i]that[/i], is bigotry. It's not like I'm going around burning churches down and murdering people over their not believing the same things I do.

[quote=So Boerd]
In other words, . How in the world you managed to read "You have to agree with things to tolerate them" out of "If you already agree with it, you aren't tolerating it, so a tolerant society would tolerate what it doesn't agree with", I'll never know, but it's impressive.
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No, you're still not getting it, but that's quite [b]normal[/b]. Because you're arguing an extreme: That 100% tolerance must tolerate bigots somehow means we should now tolerate bigots is the very definition of insanity. You can use that very same logic to say that we should tolerate rape: Nobody is murdered, amirite? :gray

Tolerance is by no measurable yardstick agreement. The two have nothing in common, if anything, they tend to be used for entirely different situations: Things I agree with I rarely feel the "need" to tolerate, I already agree with them. Things I disagree with test my tolerance, and I tend to have a fairly high tolerance at that.

Most people who proclaim tolerance, aren't, in the same measure that most of those same people will declare themselves good people without really thinking about it, or that something is immoral without thinking about it due to societal preconceptions, or misconstrue criticism for bullying. Why? Because most people don't understand who they are or what they want and seek some higher purpose in the universe and order to all the chaos. People generally are not comfortable with the thought that they will never truly be or know anything to its utmost degree and so they cling to positive sounding words and titles and then think that they [i]are[/i] those things: Tolerant, loving, kind, strong, etc.

At the end of the day, take anything to an extreme, and you reach unreasonable deluded lunacy. 100% Tolerance doesn't produce a healthy society--agreed, but tolerance in and of itself does not generally get used for blatant bigotry and hate mongering, because bigotry and hate mongering are themselves [i]acts of intolerance[/i]. They don't question something, they promote negative stereotypes and dehumanize people.

Also, understanding the dangers of something =/= bigotry. I can appreciate a lion and tolerate its existence (unless it's threatening my life obviously) without ignoring the fact that it is a wild animal that can and sometimes will kill me for food. I can even appreciate things like pigs and cows--I don't want them to suffer before I eat them, that's pretty normal for an empathetic species with intellectual capacity.