[quote=Joegreenbeen] No, nothing is nothing. For nothing to be nothing, there has to be an absence of everything, including space and time. That's the definition of the word, no things, nothing. [/quote] Dude, have you looked at space and time before? It's a void. Also. Funnily enough! The book explains that, it talks on how spacetime, the produce of space and time, bends around mass, and from the looks of things, anti-matter, which is produced with matter at the start of the universe, expands space! Also! Time increases around mass! So with the absence of anything but space and time still having mass. It actually shows how a singularity of both space and time itself caused what is could be a quantum expansion in relation to each other, with mass being the product of space and time in a rapid singularity. So basically. What's being said here. Is that a universe of nothing, that is literally a singularity, that has forever approaching zero space, and forever approaching zero time, produced mass. That's about as nothing as you're ever going to get bub.