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Nex:I'm sorry, you're right I'm wrong I pulled 4% completely from my ass.The actual number is less then 2%and the money they get? much much MUCH less then you're "estimated" number.Will not say it, to make sure people actually read the link/
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For starts, that is unemployment and doesn't include TANF or medicaid, second of all your bro said 8.2% were overpayments, but he justified it with this.

[quote]8.2% of all unemployment benefits, or a total of $2.45 billion, are classified as overpayments.  Of this $2.45 billion, approximately $385 million can be attributed to technical eligibility issues, primarily meeting a State’s work search requirements.  In other words, many UI payments, while technically “overpayments” under current state eligibility definitions within the UI program, are made to individuals who failed to meet certain technical eligibility requirements but otherwise meet the primary UI eligibility requirements of being unemployed through no fault of their own and wanting to work.  For instance, a payment made to a claimant who failed to maintain sufficient documentation concerning his ongoing work search requirements would be considered an “overpayment” under the BAM program.  States, however, would not necessarily seek recovery of such an overpayment.[/quote]

Which is dumb. If I don't file my tax paperwork right, they send the IRS after me, and that's whem I give THEM money. If your stuff ain't in order, you shouldn't be able to get the money.

Now, he said also one third of the unemployment overpayments were to people who already had jobs, obvious, indisputable waste. One third of 8.2% is more than 2%.

Then there's this. [quote]Because there is no fault on the part of the individual claimant in such an instance, many states would not attempt to recover such an overpayment.  $1.37 billion of the $2.45 billion in total overpayments are classified as nonfraud overpayments that are recoverable.  These include cases such as where an initial finding of eligibility is reversed following an employer’s appeal, and where a claimant has erroneously reported earnings.[/quote]

What? If I "erroneously report earnings" in my tax forms, they throw me in a cell, or at least audit me, certainly if they know I am. If erroneously reporting earnings isnot fraud, I don't know what is.

Third, old source is old.