People are still slaves to their own humanity unless they choose to free themselves from it, @catchamber. No amount of tampering with the human being, until you undo what it means to be human, will likely change something that core to people. Just because we are discussing the dangers of a what amounts to an extreme means that the general rules of our understandings go out the window. The majority of people will, by and large, stay true to what it is they know. Even in our age of multimedia and technology, this has only been continuously proven and is the exact reason I say that people will be influenced by rather than divert to.
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The highest, most decisive experience is to be alone with one's own self. You must be alone to find out what supports you, when you find that you can not support yourself.
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The Harbinger of Ferocity
Agent of the Wild, Aspect of the Ferine
Nature, red in tooth and claw.
"There is, indeed, no single quality of the cat that man could not emulate to his advantage."
- Carl Van Vechten
I am, at my core, a personification and manifestation of those things whose blood and hearts run red with the ferocity of the animal world. It is this which convicts and controls my works, my writing, my being; the force and guidance in which I gain wisdom from. It is what inspires me as a creator and weaver of words, the very thing I admire as an author.
My leanings, savage as they are, are of the feline sort as there exists no greater lineage of beasts whom can be drawn from. No others captivate and motivate my talent and skill as the greatest of cats do.
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Until you can show me a social dynamic that favors this, I am going to disagree based on historical evidence, @catchamber. I strongly doubt that the unusual or the extreme will ever overtake the norm, especially in an area people are as sensitive to as say, appearance. Any basic understanding of people will tell you that they will, habitually, favor what is known to them. It will unquestionably influence the norm, but a standard will emerge or persist to some length that has longstanding roots in what is known than unknown or different.
I agree there would be not bottling the genie at that point, @Kratesis. Once that door is open, no amount of legislation, intent or operation will ever keep it under wraps, even if need be. I fear the worst in such a case, but do consider me curiously optimistic. I believe people would narrow down what they want to a science as they oft do already.
I do not find that an entirely valid argument, @catchamber. You will see an advent of a subculture and nothing more. Even with something as powerful as genetic engineering, you will see a consistent average and standard arise that most will build within and around, especially as cultural and economic values would alter. This would be little different than the next evolution of counter-culture we have witnessed before and certainly, on a macro level, will not be influential or significant enough to change the outcomes.
I do not find that an entirely valid argument, @catchamber. You will see an advent of a subculture and nothing more. Even with something as powerful as genetic engineering, you will see a consistent average and standard arise that most will build within and around, especially as cultural and economic values would alter. This would be little different than the next evolution of counter-culture we have witnessed before and certainly, on a macro level, will not be influential or significant enough to change the outcomes.
It is too easy to exploit what is generally considered beautiful, @catchamber. It has been narrowed down to a science, one that could be exploited by any industry and already is, with only added incentive in this scenario. Granted it varies some, but certain traits and qualities have always been viewed as preferred to others. I am certain you have seen or at least heard of the idealized human appearance. Granted it might not be to your particular tastes, or anyone else's here, but if we are staying strictly on the path of averages, that is a measurable advantage which will more often than not benefit rather than harm.
While I can assure you that what I find beautiful is not this norm, I would be a liar to say that I am not better predispositioned toward people who are considered conventionally attractive. This is generally true for most people as well.
While I can assure you that what I find beautiful is not this norm, I would be a liar to say that I am not better predispositioned toward people who are considered conventionally attractive. This is generally true for most people as well.
Prion diseases are an usual sort, aren't they, @Penny?
I must agree there is no way around the matter, that they are an inevitability provided humanity keeps progressing, even if only at this rate. I also submit that the only way to mitigate these threats - of which I do consider to be tremendous - is to provide a set of doctrine which cannot be deviated from. While this is unlikely to happen, that some will still exploit these boons even if such a ruling came to pass, it is critical to ensuring that people are afforded as much of a fair start as they can be, prior to even their own birth. It concerns me even more when I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I would invest all of my resources into it were it a possibility, if only to better assure my offspring a future. I say this because I know too that my power to do so is not nearly as great as many others.
I do not worry about say, the color of their hair or eyes, but who would not want their child to be physically attractive or outright beautiful? Who would not them to have an intellect that is just five percent higher? Or the potential to have a higher threshold of maximum muscle mass? Or a high metabolism? On and on and on.
So great are these advantages that they are not an option. Worse yet, I would never dare trust the average person with them. I know that if I would have the temptation to exploit them that many would. No less, I would equally be doing a disservice by denying these opportunities to them because of my own bias; I would much rather they decide their own person and who they are above all else. In such a case I cannot, in good conscious, do this.
I must agree there is no way around the matter, that they are an inevitability provided humanity keeps progressing, even if only at this rate. I also submit that the only way to mitigate these threats - of which I do consider to be tremendous - is to provide a set of doctrine which cannot be deviated from. While this is unlikely to happen, that some will still exploit these boons even if such a ruling came to pass, it is critical to ensuring that people are afforded as much of a fair start as they can be, prior to even their own birth. It concerns me even more when I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I would invest all of my resources into it were it a possibility, if only to better assure my offspring a future. I say this because I know too that my power to do so is not nearly as great as many others.
I do not worry about say, the color of their hair or eyes, but who would not want their child to be physically attractive or outright beautiful? Who would not them to have an intellect that is just five percent higher? Or the potential to have a higher threshold of maximum muscle mass? Or a high metabolism? On and on and on.
So great are these advantages that they are not an option. Worse yet, I would never dare trust the average person with them. I know that if I would have the temptation to exploit them that many would. No less, I would equally be doing a disservice by denying these opportunities to them because of my own bias; I would much rather they decide their own person and who they are above all else. In such a case I cannot, in good conscious, do this.
The argument of genetic augmentation and alteration is that once you start down that path, where does it end? You would need create some sort of regulatory standards that relate strictly to giving the unborn an advantage that is only preventive, so as to avoid some mental or physical defects; anything beyond quickly becomes rampant designer choices or removes the fairness of a randomly dealt hand, an experience we are all more or less currently subjected to. This is totally ignoring that a person's identity might be well tied into their defects. Is it sincere or really in the best interest of the child to tamper with something they had no choice in? They already do not choose their parents, let alone their strengths or weaknesses, so how is it better to make them into what the parents wish them to be? Especially in a context where they cannot just "easily" change that about themselves?
Unquestionably if this were a realistic option a good parent would attempt to act on this, hopefully for the right reasons of wanting the best for their child as @Kratesis said. What we all know is that people would exploit these ends and design children they want to love. It raises an uncomfortable question of, "If I were different than how my parents made me, would they still love me?" Children already question how much they are or are not loved extensively, even if not in active, continuous thought.
While I am a proponent of using genetic engineering to mitigate potential threats to life and wellness, I accept that I would almost rather that not be an option for it opens a doorway to greater abuse, assuming I must elect one option. I do not look forward to a world of supermen and superwomen. Not just because I revere nature, but because it sets a standard of no more equal opportunity. As it is, not all people are biologically equal as some have inherent advantages that no amount of training or practice can make up for, but they did not choose these traits or have them chosen for them; they received them in the way any one of us could have. Creating a gap as small as allowing cosmetic changes allows for impactful changes to be made by less scrupulous sorts.
Unquestionably if this were a realistic option a good parent would attempt to act on this, hopefully for the right reasons of wanting the best for their child as @Kratesis said. What we all know is that people would exploit these ends and design children they want to love. It raises an uncomfortable question of, "If I were different than how my parents made me, would they still love me?" Children already question how much they are or are not loved extensively, even if not in active, continuous thought.
While I am a proponent of using genetic engineering to mitigate potential threats to life and wellness, I accept that I would almost rather that not be an option for it opens a doorway to greater abuse, assuming I must elect one option. I do not look forward to a world of supermen and superwomen. Not just because I revere nature, but because it sets a standard of no more equal opportunity. As it is, not all people are biologically equal as some have inherent advantages that no amount of training or practice can make up for, but they did not choose these traits or have them chosen for them; they received them in the way any one of us could have. Creating a gap as small as allowing cosmetic changes allows for impactful changes to be made by less scrupulous sorts.
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The feline monk's hit scored, having set a bolt of golden light directly into her foe before it could so much as react, the battle's tides were already well in the process of being turned; they had clawed another inch back from the formless Kingdom of Darkness. This process, repeated enough so that they had found an unexpected ally, was a sound well of hope - deeper and fuller than any they really should have experienced. Their home, or what was left of it, had disappeared into the void no more than a day ago, but here in this world they felt a surge of exhilaration their spirits hadn't ever before; as though their efforts were actually seeing them through.
But so too was doubt strong here, venomously potent at that.
That subtle, underlying distraction is what set the slayer's bolt off its course just ever so slightly. It took a moment of reflection to recognize it had not landed, the cloud of unusual deceit and actual chaos of battle mingling into one complicated mess that only spiraled further out. Yet, by then, the violent gnome hurried to the front, audacious robes shifting as he carried himself as fast as his feet could speed in flight. Seemingly oblivious to the weighty burden the shadows had, one just under the surface, he drew back a hand and threw forth a bizarre lavender beam which then struck past Thea and to the shadowy soldier.
His arcane language for the spell certainly was not familiar either, even not to the ears of the trained Wick.
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The responsibility is on, first, the attacker. You are attempting an argument no one is making and appealing strictly to emotion, @Penny. Second, the victim does have options beyond that if they are subject to sexual assault; an unwanted pregnancy is not an assured, guaranteed outcome. Failing to take up on those is a decision made by that person, who can weigh it only for themselves. This is one of the areas, as I stated but you apparently willfully ignored, there might be an argument for an abortion. Not only is it limited in scope, the victims in question have a valid claim, not just "Something, something, economic burden." or "I made a mistake."
People do not actually have as much "control" over their lives as they pretend to. They can mitigate threats and reduce them, eliminating some, but never them all. Putting all the authority into the hands of one person, especially who has direct charge over life and the welfare of it, should come with tremendous consequence for willful negligence. Most receiving these practices are not victims of rape or under threat for their own life, which should be mentioned. It is used as a flimsy excuse to send some message about "control over their own body".
You know what constitutes superior control over one's body? Not going to bed with a man and ignoring tenants of safe sex. A woman who cannot do this is less a woman and more a girl, because it is clear they cannot be held to the standards of an adult. I should also mention any man not willing to parent the child he fathered is a mostly spineless thing too; a boy pretending. At such a point if they err that badly, or "miscalculate" who they are involving themselves with or their life planning, no one should be at fault but them. The child should not be given the axe just because two adults spectacularly failed.
Additionally, there is no loss of rights or autonomy involved when the person in question neglected to maintain control over them. They surrendered them upon the altar of inaction as choosing to do nothing about it to prevent it is still a choice. At that point they are responsible for more than themselves; sacrificing someone else's life so to not hamper their own is not only cowardly, it is not an acceptable thing to do.
As for being "ethical solution", that is an opinion, not a fact.
People do not actually have as much "control" over their lives as they pretend to. They can mitigate threats and reduce them, eliminating some, but never them all. Putting all the authority into the hands of one person, especially who has direct charge over life and the welfare of it, should come with tremendous consequence for willful negligence. Most receiving these practices are not victims of rape or under threat for their own life, which should be mentioned. It is used as a flimsy excuse to send some message about "control over their own body".
You know what constitutes superior control over one's body? Not going to bed with a man and ignoring tenants of safe sex. A woman who cannot do this is less a woman and more a girl, because it is clear they cannot be held to the standards of an adult. I should also mention any man not willing to parent the child he fathered is a mostly spineless thing too; a boy pretending. At such a point if they err that badly, or "miscalculate" who they are involving themselves with or their life planning, no one should be at fault but them. The child should not be given the axe just because two adults spectacularly failed.
Additionally, there is no loss of rights or autonomy involved when the person in question neglected to maintain control over them. They surrendered them upon the altar of inaction as choosing to do nothing about it to prevent it is still a choice. At that point they are responsible for more than themselves; sacrificing someone else's life so to not hamper their own is not only cowardly, it is not an acceptable thing to do.
As for being "ethical solution", that is an opinion, not a fact.
As is the price of having children, @Penny. For the record, this is not a moral argument either I am making, just a logical one. If one is willing or able to have a child, intentionally or inadvertently, there is a level of risk and responsibility they accept as a parent. This is the same concept as that when one decides to drive, they willingly accept that they might die in a vehicle accident of their own doing or another's, right or wrong. They must furthermore recognize and stand for the fact that just as the child does not choose their parents, or their ability or disability if any, they do not choose the child either. So if you wish to hand the executioner's blade over to one, rather than attempt - even to failure - to make impossible scenarios work, there should not be sympathy for the parenting party either.
No less, I hold the impression that average person cannot be trusted with what is or is not "suffering" when this topic is brought about no less, given that abortion has become less about what is good for the child and more about what is good for the parent; too easy is it for them to find a way around the intent. A doctor, while they might adhere to these standards in a number of cases, can be compromised as well without extensive oversight. History has proven that with enough business, money and traffic involved, there are hands willing to be waived.
I would rather shoulder the burden on the parents who made the decision at all.
No less, I hold the impression that average person cannot be trusted with what is or is not "suffering" when this topic is brought about no less, given that abortion has become less about what is good for the child and more about what is good for the parent; too easy is it for them to find a way around the intent. A doctor, while they might adhere to these standards in a number of cases, can be compromised as well without extensive oversight. History has proven that with enough business, money and traffic involved, there are hands willing to be waived.
I would rather shoulder the burden on the parents who made the decision at all.
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