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This still open? Cuz if so, I'm in!
This is the Ultron situation all over again. A player didn't clearly see the scheduling system or didn't care for it (who knows) and then came in with that kind of build. The player wasn't banned from TZDL. He just can't compete at this event. I was promised, by him exclusively, that things were up to snuff and they weren't. So I held him accountable. Ultron didn't promise me anything, but he made an assumption and copy-pasted from a wiki without READING THE RULES and making the changes therein. Why should I be obliged at this point? Why should I have to sit down and craft his powers for him if he can't take the time to go "hmm I wonder if this entropy thing was a bit much."


Oh, no, I read it. I would suggest that perhaps it is not abundantly clear how the system works. And what I told you was that the sheets were modified to fit your rules. I made no other promises or assertions. And obviously I didn't believe the entropy thing is too much, I'd prefer it if you didn't make insulting assumptions about my thought process, thanks. Regardless, like I said before, good luck with everything.
I feel like you're missing the point, but let's move on. I offered my help in pithing things out and ensuring understanding, and I'll now leave it at that. Again, looking forward to how things pan out.
You try to impose a system that our tournament doesn't operate on, but you'd prefer I say "it doesn't make sense" which is much more arbitrary than some established and enforceable rule. I can equally say "well ether doesn't make sense" and then what?


I fail to see how we're trying to impose anything on anyone other than just simply saying "this is how these characters that we created work." None of us is dictating how other people's entries work. Also I still think you're missing the point that "ether" is just a word used to encompass an array of other things.

Whose logic does any of this follow? None of the things anyone's powers do or even the powers themselves exist. How do you determine a logical "sense" of made up shit? You know what does make sense? At least crafting rules that a particular type of something doesn't encompass a broad ranges of things so it isn't super effective against all types. That is something we can all agree on because "Godmodding" wouldn't be an almost acceptable rule in general T1 roleplaying. You guys can come in with your character's structure because that's not what's being contested. The application of such a thing IS being contested.


Logic is logic, and applies equally well to fantasy as it does to reality. Unless you're operating on a basis of intended refutation of logic for some reason - chaos, entropy, some of the more bizarre things that have popped up in comics over the years whose stated intention is to defy logic purposefully - then logic can be applied regardless of the fantastical nature of the subjects you're working with. Logic is just logic. "Does it make sense for Subject A to interact in this manner with Subject B" or "Is there an understandable relationship between Subject C and Subject D." Fantasy and logic are not mutually exclusive concepts. Don't conflate logic with realism.

You have ignored one of the basic points of my post when I said how things interact CAN be tabulated even if they aren't "universally" compatible which it itself is a really illogical concept as forces in real life, no matter how compatible, will and do conflict with each other. Friction is a thing.


I don't see that this is being ignored at all. Frankly, I'm afraid this whole thing is now getting buried in semantics. Forces interact, as they should. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but everything I've seen suggests that you're saying that the forces don't interact. Apologies if I am misunderstanding your point of view, but the whole point of the way some of the characters are built is that the forces do indeed interact, regardless of what label that has been applied to them. Really, that's the whole concept behind this "ether" term that you seem to dislike.

And just to state, I'm not trying to be bothersome or cause trouble, but merely to ensure that everyone is getting a fair and impartial shake when it comes to the submission process, regardless of their point of origin or affiliation or who their friends are. I've been in your shoes, and I understand that it can be tiresome to wade through things on occasion and it sometimes isn't always easy to fully grasp an unfamiliar piece of writing without the context. If you'd like I'm more than happy to try and help clarify things that might not be readily apparent or that the back and forth between the judges and entrants isn't quite explaining. I see no need for butting heads when, at least in my experience, things usually just need to be explained in a different way.
The main issue we had in this tournament are people not reading the rules:

Stacking - To place many different and/or unrelated powers/abilities on a character is regulated. There is no determined number of power(s) a character has access to, or how many different abilities a character can enact due to a specific power. An endless stack of limitless potential is restricted based on how wide of an application each power has in perspective to their potency; likewise, numerous applications of one power may also be regulated. This ruling will encompass any and all equipment too.

4th sentence of that ruling. The Stacking ruling is regulated because it is hard to determine how much or how little something can be considered stacking making it a very hard rule to enforce; however, a blatant amount of stacking, such as Ether, can easily be identified because it is a universal "realm energy" that can be used for anything and everything. Read the rules. The problem isn't compatibility. The problem is that you, and your crew, don't read. That isn't an attack on you. That is an attack on your ideaology to roleplaying because you cannot take the time to accommodate to the game you are playing, and then make the assumption that I will accommodate to you. This is what got Ultron rejected.

If it was such a fundamental law we wouldn't have this kind of discussion. No one would.


So... You don't like our characters because they're not one trick ponies? Because that's how that little rant reads. I can understand saying "you can't have thirty powers that make no sense together" because it's nonsensical. However if those powers are related and logically make sense as working in some sort of system (like a metahuman who can initially control fire later developing the ability to change his physical structure into an energy state - pyromorphism - would be related thematically and logically) I'm not sure I see the issue. Is this what's causing people friction? I mainly ask because I would really love to know what's rubbing you the wrong way here. And the ether argument is, frankly, pretty stupid. I have never once seen anyone argue that just because a different label is affixed to it that it shouldn't interact unless they're specifically trying to be a power gaming douche bag. Let's not do that kids.
The only real profile sheet tailored for the tournament was done by DLL himself so far.


Uh, no. They're all modification of existing characters to fit into your ruleset for the tournament. Hence why they're tailored for this specific use. Not sure why you'd think otherwise.

So when entering a tournament of this free-form nature: you must explain your abilities a bit more thoroughly and understand it may not operate as widely as it does back at your home site(s).


Fully aware of such a thing. Hence why DLL said for some of the characters it was more difficult to customize because those particular traits are very much inherent in the makeup of said character. Hence the asking for patience with getting them just how you want for your tournament.

This is why Dias's profile has an addendum noting TZDL's version of his Ether Burn.


I really feel compelled to make jokes at Dias's expense that are utterly unrelated to his profile now. Because it's Dias and it's been so damn long since I've been able to make fun of him.
You guys have a way of playing over there, but as long as you are over here, in TZDL, you have to abide by the tournament standards.


I would think that's rather obvious, and I'm not sure why you would think anyone was planning to do anything otherwise. Hence why the sheets offered have been tailored specifically for this event and are not the ones normally used. Any paranoid assumptions to the contrary, I guarantee you that anyone from this little band of brigands will be following your rules to the letter, and we have ways of policing our own if they don't.

Thanks for your work thus far, here's to an entertaining tourney!
Question: if, for some reason, a profile is rejected outright will substitution be allowed after the new submission deadline?
Hey, all, so here's a thought. Just bear with me now. How about, if you're not the player of the character in question or involved in running the tournament, you butt the hell out and not get involved in other people's business? Cuz if ya do, you're just being a dick troll. And nobody likes a dick troll.
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