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I was just discussing that in the chat, I multiplied a number incorrectly early on, which I'm currently working on.
It appears as though my mathematical skills are worse than previously thought!
Elendra said
Sheffield, did your territories wrong. The Large Cities require 6 unmod provinces to work, not 4. You are therefore short 6 provinces to sustain things!


I've accounted for that, I believe. The 3 Large Cities add up to a required 18 Unmod provinces, the Medium and Small City together require another 8, don't they? Bringing the total required unmod provinces to 26, and I have 30. Unless I've muddled the rules up.
Empire of Glaewin



Nation Theme


Races of the Nation:
Men
Anoredhel
Dwarves
Surface Dwarves
Halflings
Nation History:
Glaewin grew naturally, after being formed originally as a trading outpost it quickly evolved into much more. Named Lanceglen, it was one of the first dedicated trading outposts for merchants to compare their wares and discuss related matters, it garnered attention of many as more merchants began to set up warehouses in the outpost, and subsequently shops as well. The town drew in new additions from many diverse races, though it was always dominated by the race of man.

As the years progressed, the outpost grew into a village, into a town and eventually into a sizeable city, a major trading hub for the region. There was no current nation within the region, and Glaewin was formed with little opposition, aside from the occasional village which wished to retain its independence. It was during the period of expansion that House Perea established itself as the ruling nobility, a King being appointed by the other nobles of the realm. A goverment was also formed, with various members of the nobility being granted a multitude of different titles, albeit the local mage academy was also granted a representative within the government.

The period of expansion continued as the Kingdom began to shape itself, opting to stick with their roots and place a growing emphasis on mercantile trades. Though the nation itself did not have any particularly special goods to begin with, it successfully traded with the recently discovered nations surrounding it, buying goods from one and selling them for a higher price at another, acting as a 'middle-man' of sorts. Glaewin continued to perfect this form of trade, using the profits gained to continue to expand and fund various institutes and academies throughout the rapidly growing nation. Yet the nation reached a standstill, consisting mainly of men, anoredhel and halflings, albeit a discovery in the short future would send Glaewin into an industrial boom.

During a hunt for mines, a group of prospectors made a discovery, the likes of which had never before been seen. The subertannean ruins of an ancient, long-lost civilisation were discovered within the borders of Glaewin. Sprawled out underneath the vast plains of Glaewin, the tunnels and corridors seemed endless despite many pathways being blocked due to collapse and other structural failures. News of the discovery quickly travelled, with scholars, miners and mages flocking to the nation en mass in a bid to study the ruins. Dwarves, alongside mages, became especially prominent within the nation after the discovery as the government began recruiting a workforce to excavate the ruins, and scholars to study the findings. Old maps with what appeared to be mines, long lost tomes detailing various forms of unseen life and maps revealing hidden passageways to allow for safe, quicker travel were all amongst the discoveries.

Spurred on by the recent discovery, expansion became an even higher priority as other cities began to appear throughout the realm in order to accomodate for the growing population. With a treasury already near-bursting, various expeditions were prepared in an attempt to locate the long-lost mines. Whilst most expeditions returned home with no news, there was a successfull expedition, discovering a rich goldmine. It is recorded that a member of the expedition that discovered the mine gave the following description;
'T' gold continued for as far as the eye could see, sparkling in the dark like stars in the night sky'

Immediately the mine was worked, albeit the gold appeared different from the gold previously held in the nation. Perhaps it was the unnatural glow, or the warmth that seemed to cling to it, albeit there became an unhealthy obsession with the gold. The other nations that recieved portions of the gold through trade found themselves desperately organising further deals with Glaewin in order to get more of the gold, and Glaewin soon became the center of trade for the known land.

The Kingdom was eventually re-evaluated, and an Empire was formed with the government being significantly reworked to grant more power to the Emperor. Whilst the gold seemed to have an unnatural effect on most, the mages were not taken in by it's grasp and were near-certain it contained dark properties. The mages which had originally come to Glaewin with a thirst for exploration of the ruins had now become resolutely against any further exploration, considering the findings to be unhealthy for the mind, and unnatural. In response, the government of Glaewin set up various 'secret-police' forces, which were officialy non-existant. In reality, however, they had a very specific purpose to undermine those who opposed the further exploration of the ruins, and exploitation of the now several goldmines that had been discovered as a direct result of the maps recovered from the ruins. mages became a primary target, and as their opinions became more vocal, the action taken against them by the Empire also grew.

After a steady rise in tensions between the nobility of Glaewin, who seeked to continue to exploit the various goldmines and the mages, a lie was told to the people. In a public speech given by the Emperor himself, the mages were declared to have made an attempt on his life, in an attempt to sieze power and take the wealth of Glaewin for themselves. It had been planned far in advance, with regiments being trained specifically in the art of killing those with an affinity for magic. Near immediately after giving the speech, the various magic institutions in each city were stormed by both the local city watch, and regiments trained with the specific intention of killing mages. For a brief period, fighting erupted in the streets, albeit the mages were both outnumbered and outmaneuvered, having been caught completely unaware. Cut down by the hundreds, near the entire population of magically-gifted was wiped out within a week, regardless of age. The event is simply regarded to within Glaewin as 'The Purge'

Magic was outlawed in Glaewin, with any found to be practicing the 'corrupting' art to be sentenced to death, without trial. An official Inquisition was also set-up, with the goal to hunt down and eliminate any practicing magic, yet very rarely can sufficient proof be found to convict a suspect practitioner, and as such the Inquisition was granted the power to sentence any suspected of practicing magic to death, without the need for evidence or a trial. Despite this, several mages survived the onslaught, and took to the underground in an attempt to preserve what little they had left. Forming the 'Cult of Old', they swore to bring to light the true actions of the nobility, albeit they have found their efforts hampered largely by both the Inquisition, and 'Shadowmasters', the officialy non-existant secret police.

After opposition to the further exploitation of the resources the ruins could provide, further expedition continued unopposed and Glaewin has grown significantly in wealth, trading in goods from across the known land. It is still ruled by House Perea, albeit very few are still aware of the truth behind the Purge.
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Very interested in this!
Its quite late, although I've sorted out my traits/flaws and provinces. I've opted for a merchantile nation, and I shall post the sheet up tomorrow
Collab between Maxxorlord & Sheffield (Santiago & Edwin)




Even though he’d only been in town for a few days, Santiago had already become familiar with the noises that filled the airways in Justice, California. There were gunshots in the distance, as well as the blare of sirens that was steadily getting quieter as the unsuspecting Columbian walked down the sidewalk. Moreno glanced up at the greying sky of that morning, pulling his brown jacket closer against his own body to block out the cold. The man’s dark eyes darted up and down the street as he caught sight of his destination. An old beat up diner, who’s neon sign was only partially working. The man began to move with a bit more purpose about him as he pushed the double doors to the diner open.

The diner wasn’t much more impressive on the inside. There were barely a handful of people in the place, and most of them worked there. Santiago strode up to the cash register, a small grin on his lips as he anticipated the meeting to come. The girl behind the register grabbed a pair of menus and escorted him over to a booth in the corner that was well out of earshot of any of the other customers. Santiago slid into the booth and ordered himself a coffee. After a few minutes of sitting in the booth, he relaxed and slumped his shoulders a bit, peeling the brown jacket off his body and setting it with his ball cap. Perhaps dressing down for this particular meeting was a bad idea.. Santiago thought to himself, even though it was well out of his hands now.

Now all Moreno could do was wait for his client to arrive. In the mean time, he began to speculate. The man who had contacted him and set up this little meeting hadn’t given him much information, but what he had said had gotten Santiago a bit excited, which wasn’t normal. The job he was being offered was one that was going to pay well.

“Driving for hours, and this is the place you choose to meet him? Great..”

Edwin couldn’t help but stifle a laugh at the comment from his right-hand, Agent Inning. The rest of the team had already proceeded to the small office-space that had been rented to serve as a HQ of sorts, however Edwin wanted to get this out of the way and set his plans in motion as quickly as possible. The two sat in the SUV, staring blankly at the run-down diner, the faint sound of gunshots and sirens already having been heard in the distance,
“Welcome to Justice.”

The two shared a laugh once more, before exiting the SUV which stood distinctly out amongst the other worn down vehicles, that likely hadn’t seen a garage since their production.There was a distinct grandiose demeanor around the two as they walked into the diner, proudly flaunting their wealth to the clearly impoverished regulars of the diner, through their finely-tailored suits and other designer accessories. They remained standing at the entrance for a short while, as they surveyed the diner for the columbian, before walking with a great pomposity towards him. Taking a seat directly across from Santiago, they ushered the girl with a menu away with a wave of the hand,
“Aha! My young columbian prodigy, I’m glad we could meet in person at such short notice. I must admit, you look exactly as I had guessed.” Edwin rested his arms on the table separating the two, removing his shades and sliding them onto the collar of his shirt,

“Now, let’s get straight to business, hm? I’m an awfully busy man. So. The Jagielskis. Typical scumbags making a living through drugs, crime and most importantly for me, illegal arms. I need you to get involved with these scumbags, and I need you to get deep. You already look the part, so that’s a start. Now I don’t particularly give a shit about if they have drugs, that’s the DEAs deal, and I ain’t DEA. I care about the guns, and the murders committed with guns. I’m going to assume they aren’t using registered guns with serial numbers, nor will they be using legit bullets. Had they done so, if the local police had half a brain they’d have likely traced the gun-crime back to the family. Now, I need you to get me proof of their guns, illicit deals and murder. Along with any other criminal shit you can get, anything extra to get them on will do well in a court.”

Edwin loosened his shoulders, reclining back into the chair as he reached into his pocket, removing a small, black phone that resembled a brick, and proceeded to casually place it on the table, before sliding it across to Santiago.
“This phone is going to be your main tool. It’s got an inbuilt tracker, so we’ll know where you are, doesn’t matter if you’re at a whore-house, or Jagielski HQ. You’ll use this phone to record any conversations that directly relate to acts of crime, or mention past crimes. Get photos of crimes committed by the family, their guns, and most importantly, get me locations. You’ve got two speed dials on the thing. The first speed dial phones us, and you only do that if you’ve got something bloody important to say. The second also phones us, yet that will go to an automated response and will log your current location, so it’s vital that you only use the second speed dial when you’re at any local Jagielski HQ, warehouses or anything of the sorts.You know, spots of importance, use your initiative. We’ll be phoning you every once and a while to check in, and make sure you haven’t changed sides. Believe me, if you stick with us and see this through, we’ll make you rich. You screw us, and I swear you won’t see daylight for the rest of your very, very long life. Or even better, you won't see anything at all, you’ll be ten-feet under. Too late to back out now anyway. We won’t be paying you upfront, so dont even ask. As soon as you get involved with the Jagielskis, we’ll set aside funds monthly for you, and pay you each month until the deal is closed. Five grand a month, in cash. Now believe me, it took a lot to get the agency to fork out the funds for that, so I expect top quality information, or the cash stops. You’re in bed with the ATF now, and you have the chance to reap the rewards that come along with that.”

Edwin reclined back into the chair once more, a smirk crossing his face as he hailed over the girl, ordering a black coffee.

Santiago recognized the two men as his clients the second he spotted them walk into the diner. No wealthy man would ever walk into a place like this, even just to use the bathroom. Monero couldn’t help but think that their pompous attitude and expensive clothing would attract far too much attention. He wouldn’t dare say anything to them, however. They were going to be paying him so much he’d sooner lick their shoes clean before insulting them.

When one of the wealthy men spoke and greeted Santiago, he put on a warm smile.”Hello.” Santiago greeted them, his accent rather evident. He was about to offer a hand to the man, but his client seemed to be a man of business. That was something Santiago could respect. Santiago leaned slightly forward as the man began to brief him on the job at hand, paying close attention to his every word and mannerism. Santiago was sure that the man had insulted his appearance once or twice within his little speech, but that was of no concern to Santiago. At least not yet. The young Colombian furrowed his brow as he considered the depth of the operation he was going to have to get involved in. The Jagielski’s were the biggest syndicate in town at this time, and as such they were the worst kind of people to cross. If he were to be discovered, his life would most assuredly be over.

Moreno’s eyes darted down towards the old look phone as it slid over towards him. He picked the device up and began to examine it as he listened to the agent speak. Santiago glanced up at the AFT agent as he mentioned the amount he’d be paid. Moreno began to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of dragging this operation out. He would get more money, sure, but the longer Santiago stuck around the more time the Jagielski family had to figure out he was working both sides. He finally settled that he would just do his job for as long as it took.

The Colombian placed the phone into his back pocket, looking at the wealthy man across from him.”I’ll do it, but I’ve got a few questions.” Santiago said, losing his smile from earlier.”Will you and your colleagues come to my aid if I am discovered? And how can I be sure that I will not be prosecuted as well when I help you bring the Jagielski family down?” Santiago voiced his concerns to the ATF agents before him.

Edwin gulped down some of the black coffee that had recently arrived at the table, listening to the questions from Moreno, before being handed a blue folder with the ATF badge clearly visible on the front by the agent sat next to him. Smacking the folder down onto the table, he flicked it open, taking a pen out of his pocket and placing it onto the page shown and then pushing the folder across to Moreno,
“This should ease your worry. That document gives you immunity from all crimes so long as you provide evidence to lock the Jagielski Syndicate away. In other words, gives you free reign to do bad shit so that you fit in with the scumbags surrounding you. As for your protection, this document places you in ATF protection as an asset. If you get discovered, then you call the first speed dial, explain the situation, and we can have an ATF team in to retrieve you within an hour or so. Until the armed team reaches you, I’ll have my agents bring you to the local police station. You’ll be safe there.
I’ll need you to sign that document, however. You wont need to appear in court. The document merely recognises this as being a legitimate deal, and that any evidence exchanged can be properly used in a court, amongst granting you immunity and protection.”


Santiago looked down at the document that was slid across the table. He picked up the pen, skimming over the document to check its legitimacy. After he was satisfied, Santiago signed his name on the line at the bottom of the document. The man’s words had calmed Santiago’s fear that they would abandon him if the job went southward.”I’ve got one more question. Do you have any idea how I could contact the Jagielski’s? I’m not exactly involved in Justice’s underground right now, so I’ve no idea how I could get employed over there.” Santiago took a deep breath. This whole situation was extremely dangerous. Perhaps the most dangerous thing he’d done since he joined The Circuit. There way no backing out of this one, though. He was in too deep.

Edwin had been expecting that question, having known Moreno was a new arrival to Justice, much like himself in some respects.
“I’ve got another meeting set up. I may be able to get somebody already on the inside, and if so, they’ll be able to get you in. I’ll be sure to check in with the local PD, find out who they know is ‘in’ with the gang, and then relay that information to you.
Until such a time, I can only advise you use your initiative. With the experience and skillset you have, I’m certain the gang would find a use for you, should you make your presence known. The gang are more prevalent in the docks, actually. I’d suggest starting there, as you’re likely to find small-time members of the gang there. Make yourself known in that area, prove your worth. These guys are the typical animalistic scumbags you’d expect. You prove your strength, and you’ll no doubt be in.”


Edwin reached over the table, picking up the folder and the pen as he rose from the seat with the other agent.
“Use your initiative, hell, we ain’t paying you that much for nothing, ‘eh.”
With that, Edwin reached to his collar as he donned his shades, holding the folder under his armpit and giving the columbian a final nod, making his exit from the diner.
10/10 for Swag, Dizzy

Why does every one of these things look so shocked?!
Wooh!

Saturday approaches. Gosh, I'm going to be busy furiously typing away at my keyboard with the amount of ideas I've got lined up within the first few posts. I look forward to it!
Glad to see this RP is back!

I've posted the copy of my sheet, and I'll get about fixing the formatting.
Name: Elroy Thalas
Species: Human
Age: 61
Planet of Origin/Birth: Talus
Force Sensitive Y/N: Yes

Appearance:



Skills/Abilities:

- Lightsaber Combat - Form VI (Niman)
- Has grown to be proficient with a blaster in order to adapt to his new way of life
- Known for his silver tongue, and ability to defuse near-any situation.
- Used to be proficient in the uses of the Force, having trained in Control, Sense and Alteration. He has not used the force for a considerable amount of time, however.[/list]

Equipment:

- An old, worn Lightsaber (Green) - Adapted during his time on Tengaru
- Ragged, common robes in order to remain incognito during his stays at various canteens
- Utility belt containing a Hush-98 Commlink and an A99 Aquata Breather. The rest of the equipment was lost or damaged during his travels

Personality:

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

A silent, observing man, he is a shadow of his former self. Where he once spent his days traveling the known galaxy representing the Jedi Order, he now spends his days in a quiet corner of a cantina. His days are filled with quiet reflection, appearing almost inanimate amongst the chaos often found in cantinas. His purpose in the universe fell along with his order, his sense of duty perished along with his fellow Jedi. He feels as though his survival through the purge was simply a cruel trick, a joke. The force, in his eyes at least, abandoned his order in favor of the dark and thus he has resolved to no longer use the force. Thalas believes himself to be nothing short of a failure, discarding his robes and perhaps, despite his resolute claims the force abandoned him, he perhaps simply feels as though he is no longer worthy to be a Jedi.

He has grown to be cynical, and trusts nobody. Trust, he feels, led to the fall of the Jedi Order. Nobody had ever thought to place the Chancellor under scrutiny until it was too late, and he never intends to let such a mistake befall him. Whilst he previously followed the Jedi Code to the letter, a thirst for revenge has slowly grown inside him over the many years he has spent in exile, though he has thus far chosen not to act on his desire for revenge. Not only that, albeit since the purge, Thalas has failed to uphold his code of public service, another fact that slowly gnaws away at him as his defeatist attitude only continues to grow. If nothing else; he is ashamed of what befell his order and how none of the Jedi, the so-called protectors of civilization, had managed to recognize the enormity of the threat that many of them saw every week.

Despite this, Thalas remains a humble man with a great amount of knowledge, owed to his many studies as a Jedi Consular. When he speaks, he is soft-spoken with his words flowing naturally and smoothly. He never seems to raise his voice, nor does he let his anger consume him in fits of rage. His movements coincide with his speech, moving swiftly and elegantly.

History:

"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi

Born on Talus, Elroy lived with his father after his mother died during childbirth. He was raised in one of the major cities in Talus, Nashal, with his father being a local customs officer for the city. Talus was no stranger to Jedi visitors, and after a short conversation between Elroy and a Jedi regarding several unusual 'talents' he had, the relatively easy task of taking a sample of his blood was carried out by the Jedi. His high midi-chlorian count was immediately detected, and after various discussions with his father and the Jedi Order, he was ultimately whisked away to the Jedi Temple at Coruscant.

His training began as a Jedi Initiate (Youngling) and he was separated into the Sunrunner Clan with roughly twelve other initiates. He and his fellow initiates were spared no time in adjusting to Jedi life, and were simply expected to do so throughout their training exercises. Thalas had always preferred the morning classes, as they consisted of force studies, meditation and the study of various cultures and historic texts. It was in such areas that he had shown an aptitude. That is not to say he was unskilled in the physical exercises, quite the opposite. The Jedi Order had placed more of a focus on physical physique and combat skills, more so than in the days of the Old Republic. The initiates were expected to know the layout of the temple by heart, something Thalas could still describe with ease even years after it's destruction. More than anything else, his time as a young initiate was more arduous and trivial, with this being a prelude to the true challenges that awaited the initiates. During this time, Thalas was taught the concept of force control, which was a perquisite to learning other areas of the force. Whilst most of the specifics of his time as an initiate is a faded memory, the lessons learned were perhaps the most important during the entirety of his time in the Jedi Order, as they ultimately shaped his pathway to becoming a Jedi Consular.

After learning the Jedi Code, Three Pillars and progressing through the six-levels of Lightsaber combat, Thalas took his Initiate Trials. He passed the three trials with relative ease, as a majority of the trials were based on tasks of remembrance, such as the orders history and the Jedi Code. The true challenge came at the annual apprentice tournament, the main opportunity for the newly-passed initiates to prove their worth, and garner the interest of a Jedi Master or Knight, whom would ultimately become their master. It was not an event Thalas had been particularly looking forward too, seeing as he had shown a much greater skill in a very different area of expertise. Ultimately being defeated in the fifth, of the eight rounds, he successfully gained the attention of a Jedi Consular, known by Thalas as Master Thwain. Much like himself, Thwain was a scholarly man and spent his time performing tasks given to him from the Council of Reconciliation.

There were no great tales of adventure from the pair, with his time as a Padawan being somewhat uneventful. Despite this, Thalas continued to flourish under the teachings of Thwain and whilst most may consider his activities boring, Thalas cared little for the grand exploits of the various Jedi Knights and Guardians, seeing value in the work of the Consulars and Librarians whom both kept the archives in good order, whilst also exploring the various and seemingly unending sectors of the Universe, uncovering it's many secrets and teachings. Most of all, however, Thalas viewed the preservation of the orders values, goals and history to be of the utmost importance, for without it the order would surely lose its way. Knowledge is power, as the saying goes. Aside from the study of ancient texts and the history of the order, Thalas also continued to be taught how to wield a lightsaber and hold his own in combat. He, like his master, preferred the route of nimble footwork and efficient movements rather than the forms which preferred a strong physique and devastating blows. Thalas was naturally drawn to the Niman form, albeit he also received training in both Shii Cho and Soresu.

After several years together, Thalas was recommended for his Jedi Trials. He ultimately passed the five trials that awaited him, and was subsequently appointed as a Jedi Knight of the order, although he quickly branched off and became a Jedi Consular under the Council of Reconciliation. Unlike his master, Thalas was far more fond of travel and thus was often sent on tasks of diplomacy, especially during the Clone Wars. His patience and wisdom, matched with his calming and soft tone had often had provided useful during negotiations. It is likely, that had the purge not have taken place, he would have ultimately been granted a place upon the Council of Reconciliation as he gradually earned more respect within the order, owed to his many successful diplomatic missions and gentle nature. However, shortly before the issue of order 66, Thalas traveled to the planet of Presbalin, located in the Gordian Reach sector of the Outer Rim. The planet had several, at the time, small human colonies. Yet the reason Thalas was drawn to the planet was due to the discovery of several unique, long-abandoned cities with a strange alien structure never before seen in the Universe. He could not pass up the chance to become the first to study the cities.

Thalas remained out of contact with the Council of Reconciliation, and Jedi Order in general for the duration of his study, yet he was however forced to cut his study short when one of his routine meditations filled him with a feeling he had never experienced before. One of emptiness and loss. Upon entering his Jedi Starfighter (Which had been slightly modified for long-range exploration) he received a coded transmission from Chancellor Palpatine, instructing all Jedi to return to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, stating that the war was now over and they were to await further instructions at the temple. This, coupled with his earlier distressing meditation, only continued to cause him to doubt the truth behind the chancellors words. Thalas naturally resolved to contact the temple itself, albeit all attempts were met with an eerie silence, never before heard. Rather than travel immediately back to Coruscant, Thalas decided to wait on the most populous colony of Presbalin which had access to intergalactic news and other means of communication. It wasn't long until the news of the reformed 'Galactic Empire' arrived at the colony, along with the revelations that the Jedi had betrayed the republic in a grab for power. Knowing that the Empire would soon learn of his expedition to Presablin, if he hadn't already been reported by the local colonists, he immediately abandoned both his robes and starfighter, taking a standard cargo transport to Tengaru in the Outer Rim. He knew that to continue the duties as a Jedi would only result in his death, and little would be achieved.

It took time for the scale of the purge to sink in, with every meditation only growing darker and darker as the evils within the newly-founded Galactic Empire continued to flourish under the guise of liberty. As a result, he abandoned both his meditation and the force, believing the force to have abandoned his order in favor of the dark. Since his arrival on Tengaru, he has spent his days in quiet reflection of the past, often finding a secluded table in one of the cantinas to settle in. Yet whilst he attempts to evade attention, his extreme isolation has only led to the spreading of rumors regarding him and Thalas knows it's only a matter of time before somebody comes looking...

Relationships and Acquaintances: No current associates or contacts
Katelyn said
I love that IC we're going to have Lauren and Edwin literally standing toe to toe growling at each other, I just want to make sure that from an outside (planning) perspective you understand that the cops involved are going to do their job as if you're not there, assuming that you can assist or become part of what is cleaned up. I think we're on the same page. It was your "if we need backup" that caused my temperature to rise. Welcome to Justice, baby.


Yep, I completely understand! My wording was a bit off, I'll admit that. I too believe we're on the same page, and look forward to the many dramas that may unfold :)
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