Brovo

The Library

I read Raen's sheet. Long black hair, monochrome look, quiet? Dammit. We already have Bishop. Now we have two black hair quiet wonder children.

But mine has a loony jester as a a spirit. At least nobody tried to copy captain craz--*looks at Mime*

Hopefully nobody will copy Daniel or I will feel truly unoriginal.

The Last Bastion: Bunker Chicago

LoR 2 and The Library down. TLB next...

The Library

Rendezvous Crash

Bishop didn't have much to say as the Don left for the bathroom, nor did she have much to say as Vologhn took the initiative to act. Around her she eyed the birds, knowing it wouldn't be long before they panicked as a result of their filching in the don's belongings. "Ooh. A deadly game." Bishop searches in tandem with Vologhn, taking no care to be quiet or fragile at this point as she tore through every cabinet and file she could find. "When they break through Vologhn, run. I'll make you invisible so they can't see you. Then when you're out of harm's way, I'll follow in the same way."

Hive of Minds

"Tis all a blur, no?" His uncle chided Daniel as Daniel saw the wasp murder one of his compatriots. "Damn." He mutters under his breath. It wasn't the first time, it likely wouldn't be the last, but it was still a damn shame. He didn't have time to give any funeral rites however, as the wasp turned its attention to him. Just as he was about to bring his torch-stick to bare, he heard the order shouted out to... Eat it? Without warning, Rugratz takes it and does as instructed, leaving him without his advantage. "Imbecile." Daniel growls as he leaps backward and summons Război Ciocan, his warhammer.

Within seconds as the wasp sped towards him, he instinctively knew the best option. Almost karmic, really. Ducking behind Rugratz and readying his weapon, he would swing around Rugratz when the wasp dove for the kill and was unable to stop its own momentum. Out of the corner of his eye, he also notices another librarian (Aderyn Davies), and while he kept his focus on the wasp, he quickly yelled out instruction. "YOU ARE LATE! Flank this wasp and end it quickly!" His uncle chuckles as he watches the scene, pulling out his skull companion. "We will watch."

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Okay. Third attempt to try and get this post up. Silly RPG.

Omega said Not 100% at all actually. Thick clothing can defeat it and it is generally a 1 shot weapon. If you only have 1 shot to use it there are too many situations where your life is still in great danger.

*Drowned in good points about tasers, won't make that mistake again*

Imperfectionist said
Well, you don't know that, and neither do I. Brovo might have considerable experience with firearms, and has simply never been fearful for his life using a gun at the same time.

Never even claimed firearms experience.

So I learned a lot about tasers just now. That's cool.

As for the scenarios involved, I just want to quickly point out... I'm fairly sure you have to point a gun at someone in order for bullets to hit them. I'm not a master of firearms, obviously, but, unless we're implying the officer has 360 noscope headshot powers...

Zendric said (And also further serves to illustrate that there was likely a struggle for the weapon in the car considering the gun could not have been pointed at Brown when it went off.)

If the gun could not have been pointed at Brown when it went off, how did six bullets find their way into Brown's body? Unless you mean that the gun did not go off in the vehicle?

Does this mean the officer knocked Brown away, then Brown raised his arms instinctively to protect himself and was gunned down by a panicking officer? That's a likely story, maybe.

Alas, though, y'all have quite thoroughly made your points and articulated them well with sources. I am beaten and left to think on this.



G'day folks. Though, one more thing...

So Boerd said I'd put money on Brovo never shooting anything harder than a milk jug at 20 feet with a .22 on a bench rest.

When will you learn this is not a valid form of argument. You were merely damaging the arguments of others on your side, not helping them. Just food for thought.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

So Boerd said I'd put money on Brovo never shooting anything harder than a milk jug at 20 feet with a .22 on a bench rest.

Man it's almost like I didn't claim any personal knowledge of firearms whatsoever.

Imperfectionist said Well, you don't know that, and neither do I. Brovo might have considerable experience with firearms, and has simply never been fearful for his life using a gun at the same time.

Nope. I don't. I never claimed it either.

Omega said
Not 100% at all actually. Thick clothing can defeat it and it is generally a 1 shot weapon. If you only have 1 shot to use it there are too many situations where your life is still in great danger.

The more I know-- *Drowned under a sea of good points about tasers*

Look, the part that still has me confused is how in the hell this story is supposed to come together. I'm no master of firearms but I know how to tell a story. So if Brown was charging at the officer, and he opened fire then, he was either panicking or incompetent to fire several shots in rapid succession instead of one or two aimed shots to the torso for an easy take down. I'm at least aware enough about firearms to know that you're supposed to aim, then fire. If you go with the "he panicked" route, then what the fuck is that man doing with a firearm when he panics at the sight of a single unarmed civilian charging him?

Situation two, he struggled to retain control of his firearm against an assailant. He is firing at point blank range. Where is the gunpowder residue. Even if it dissipates at a short range, I'm not buying the whole "the gun could not have been pointed at Brown when it went off" story. Last I checked you have to point a gun at a person in order for the bullet to go towards that person. Unless one is proposing that the officer did a noscope 360 deflection shot off the hood of his squad car. Now, again, I'm no expert on firearms, but I'm fairly sure it's more believable to assume that he probably pointed his firearm at Brown when he scored six successive shots.

Situation three, the most believable one to me if Brown is the assailant. He failed to open fire on Brown when Brown charged. Brown grappled for the firearm. Brown is kicked away and raises his arms up to try and instinctively protect himself from the bullets. The cop panic fires and riddles Brown with several rounds. This would be just enough distance to dissipate residue.

This, however, still fails to answer the character question. Why would Brown, who had no criminal record or history of mental disorders, do this? Why would he charge the officer? What logical reasoning could there be for Brown to suddenly become this brazen bullet-sponge? It doesn't make any sense. No rational person goes for the gun like that. Something about this story from the cop's angle does not match up whatsoever to how Brown likely would have reacted. This is further damning when you include witness testimony.

At the end of the day though, as I said earlier, there's nothing of any fruit that could be added. Everything that needed to be said has already been said, any arguing here is just going around in circles based on whether you prefer the cop's side of the story or the witnesses' side of the story.

At the very least though, I learned more shit about tasers. That'll show me for assuming anything, I got taught a lesson.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Imperfectionist said Basically, what I'm saying is that more money and research should be put into effective less-lethal weapons, especially for police use. Maybe there'll be some breakthrough, something that allows the police to incapacitate with the same effectiveness as firearms...

Yeah. If only short ranged 100% guaranteed to stun instantly with extremely minimal chance of killing weapons existed. If. Only.

Legend of Renalta 2: Reborn

Tempest said
I have my dragon on that mission. Yeah. No.

Paint it green and have it say "I am Groot" when people ask why you painted it green. It will totally work. Completely... Totes.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

@zendric

1: Ergo prefacing likely. Point granted anyway.

2: if they were struggling for the firearm, that is point blank range. Ignoring everything else, you're telling me six shots at point blank including two guaranteed kill shots to the head would leave behind no residue? And that two of those panic fire shots are head shots? And there's no fingerprints from Brown on the firearm last I checked?

3: Is that how cops operate in the states? Frightening. Here in Canada they are trained to use nonlethal where possible, even with firearms, because we want our criminals alive to face a court of law. Mainly to avoid shit like this. Guess I still have a lot to learn about the united states.

@MDK: yup. Generally speaking someone shot four times will be reduced to a blithering blubbery mass of blood and shock. Especially since the person in question is a civilian with no notable physical achievements on record.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Guilty Spark said
Level a small country? A single Kennedy Class Aircraft Carrier has the power to win a war with over half of the countries in the world by itself, we have the military power to devastate continents.Edit: Didn't notice there were five pages.

It's fine. Nothing of any remarkable intelligence has occurred over the past few pages so I haven't bothered.

Facts
-- No gunshot residue indicates the shots were medium range or greater.
--There are varying eye witness accounts.
--The head shots were likely execution moves. (Officers should aim not to kill, but disable. The order to kill is only if their life is directly threatened and Brown held no ranged weapon on his person. Combined with the lack of residue this is indicative of either ridiculous incompetence or insane callousness.)
--The early protests turned violent. (Throwing objects at police officers counts as violence. Don't even play dumb.)
--State Troopers managed to calm the protestors down a little, but there's still sporadic violence.
--Rampant looting is occurring which the protests are inevitable protecting, whether or not they wish to is irrelevant to that fact.
--Reporters were roughed up and arrested by the police. In combination with the shitty firing protocol, this is indicative of further massive incompetence on the part of the local police.

tl;dr: This entire situation is massively overblown and the media are blowing it up even further to get views. That's what they do. That is their job.

The simple fact of the matter is this: We don't know the precise details and we likely never will. The evidence that is there indicates that the officer should at least be taken down until this situation is resolved. The protests need to stop and something more productive take their place. People need to behave rationally rather than emotionally to resolve this. Except that won't happen, and I know it won't, but I can amuse myself and keep watching in the dim hope that maybe, just maybe, somewhere, in that mob and amongst the police, a brain cell will fire, telling them that they should, I dunno, cooperate more.

Like the state troopers marching amongst the protestors. That is an example of a brain cell firing.

Good luck seeing that happen enough times to actually have something productive come of this now.

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Quick question: Who all is still here, and who all is still interested in keeping this going?