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AlienBastard said
So what's the situation like with China and India? I know a nuclear war happened in that region presumably killing a billion people [a statistic] at least in the exchange and ensuing humanitarian crises. But what of china, the new overlord of the world?Did china ever try invading Afghanistan, for instance?

No nuclear exchange ever occurred between India and China. Both have No First Use policies and stayed true to their pledge through talks and the threat of mutually assured destruction. Only Pakistan and India engaged in nuclear warfare, and neither mobilized their entire arsenal (don't get me wrong, it still wasn't pretty). The war between China, the Indo-Russian alliance, and all assorted minor partners on both sides started in 2026 and ended in 2039.

As long as EvanCat doesn't care, you can do whatever you want Sino-Afghan history post-divergence, as I don't think anyone has mentioned anything about it. I myself don't plan on extending much influence west of Pakistan, nor do I think any lore in that region is under my 'jurisdiction', so EvanCat's probably your person for all that stuff.
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Edit: Depending on how this turns out, I may actually be able to partially recycle one of my FSs from Bethesda... sweet.
TheEvanCat said
Would India even be regional power if it got blasted by Paki nukes? There's no way in hell it would have remained unscathed.

They're unquestionably the regional power of South Asia (there's not much competition there, really), but don't really have too much weight to throw around in terms of global influence any more. Right up to their nuclear exchange with Pakistan they might have even been considered a global power (they're heading down that path IRL) but the nukes really put a damper on the entire economic and social progress thing. The main detriment to their progress wasn't even the nukes though, it was the ten+ years of war with China that came immediately afterwards and the oppressive military rule which accompanied it.

People should note, however, that Pakistan failed to launch its entire nuclear arsenal on India before India gave their rebuke and not only incapacitated many of Pakistan's nukes (via, well... more nukes) but also decimated it to the point of no return. Basically, Pakistan used low-yield nuclear missiles on advancing India troop formations (who were already within Pakistani borders), hoping that they could repel and invasion while possibly not encouraging nuclear retaliation from India. India responded with a complete wipe of Pakistan, rather than restraining themselves from escalating the situation further or using similar low-yield bombs on enemy troops. What ensued was a full-on exchange, but India ultimately 'won' due to the fact that it had been able to not only out-range Pakistani nuclear devices (they could strike anywhere in Pakistan, but Pakistan could not retaliate in a similar fashion) but also disable many of their known launching facilities.

Still, most of western India was devastated beyond repair, and the capital itself was basically leveled. I'm dragging most of my information from various webpages, so I like to think that what I'll be presenting is mildly realistic, if not a paragon of that adjective. Anyway, as an actual answer to your question, no- it's not at all unscathed. It's a hell-hole, albeit a reasonably functional one. It's mostly withdrawn from the world stage to tend to its sizeable wounds and ensure that its hegemonic sphere in South Asia doesn't get uppity, as they're pretty essential to India's security, economy, and indeed it's very survival. Basically, India is still the paramount power of its own region (note: I don't consider the Middle East and South Asia to be the same or even similar regions, so I'm certainly not going to compare Iran's power/position to India's) but it's relatively insignificant on the world stage.

What I was aiming for was making India feel like the 'Sick man of Asia' in the style of the late Ottoman Empire. It remains to be seen, however, if they'll collapse, fall into irrelevance, or redeem themselves to a certain extent (akin to post-WWI Germany, perhaps).
AlienBastard said
Yeah...Imma move north the sahara or arabia. What's the situation like there? I know Iran has decided to go moderate, but other than that haven't seen much about the region.

Not exactly the Sahara or Arabian peninsula, but you should definitely go with Afghanistan. Their neighbor Pakistan was kind of just wiped from the map ten years ago with nuclear fire, so I'm sure they're experiencing some major aftereffects, and they're stuck in between two up-and-coming/regional powers (Iran and India). Add to that insurgent activity, political instability, and perhaps the misuse of foreign aid funds and you have yourself a good and proper shitty-but-not-entirely-helpless middleastern nation-state.

Hell, you could even embark on operations in Once-Pakistan, if you want some broken cities and irradiated mountains under your wing.
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Edit: Ignore all of my accidental posts. This is what happens when you use Roleplayer Guild on a tablet and get impatient...
Dinh AaronMk said
I can take Tibet being broken off. But a second Japanese Empire somehow taking coastal provinces from them defeats the entire purpose I - and Evan - will need them for. Not to mention after an industrial revolution and historical hate and lessons learned of the Japanese the Chinese would put up a fight that would devastate the Japanese. They do not have the natural means to support an offensive army, or even maintain a significant fighting force anymore.

I don't disagree at all, the amount of land Shadow was hoping to annex is certainly too large. I'm just trying to say that what Darkwolf and I had planned was still going to keep China in a strong position, so people shouldn't worry about China's strength post-war (basically, I was trying to defend both him and I from any blame, as you said pieces of shit, suggesting the presences of more than one raper-of-China :P ).

Anyway, just try to negotiate a little bit more with Shadow is all I suggest. He just hopped in, so I doubt he knew of how paramount it is to a few players that China stays mostly intact. Perhaps instead of taking all of that juicy coastal territory from China he could limit it to some Chinese-held islands in the South China Sea, and perhaps another minor partition (maybe not a land-based one). Assuming Japan struck at China whilst the Indo-Russian alliances was warring with them as well, I don't see it being too outlandish that they could seize a few islands from their much-hated neighbors. That is, assuming they don't head mainland and start another Rape of Nanking or anything and stir the Chinese beehive too much. I'm just trying to think of solutions which make everyone reasonably happy.
TheEvanCat said
Iran also needs China because geopolitics.

Again, it'll still be big-bad China, the economic and military powerhouse of Asia. No worries.

Anyway, to get away from the apparently mildly volatile topic of China and its relative strength, I'd like to announce that I'm seriously considering basing my entire portrayal of India on this music video :P
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