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Leyya said, as quickly as possible while staying clear: "I doubt that my wind will be able to quell such strong flames, but I am experienced with wounds from combating humans and monsters alike so let me handle that. Check yourself in this order: serious injuries, burns, smaller injuries. If you have only small injuries then I will tell you what to do while for others I must see for myself. I think Isaiah took a nasty one from Zagan just before we slain the beast so I will go to him first and then see the rest of you."
She run to where the young Isaiah stood and as soon as seeing him lean on his broadsword issued something that was next to an order: "Lay on the ground using your unwounded leg as much as possible! If you have broken your leg I have to immobilize it or you risk limping the rest of your life! Cale I need an extra pair of hands!"
She tossed her bag and pouches to the ground near Isaiah while stooping on the same side on which he injured his leg. She grabbed his shoulder to support him and readied herself to follow his every movement when he begins to lay down on the ground ...
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So Boerd said
So basically, exactly what he said. The religious people can vote in accordance with their beliefs. Kthnx.


No he said that the Church should use non violent methods to make people not watch porn, not that it should encourage, and only encourage not threat with banishment from the Church, to vote in accordance with Church dogmas. Non-violent methods might include psychological pressure, threats, on purpose isolation and so on. From the contest and way he voiced that last part of his post it sounded like he wanted the Church to choose what is right and what is wrong.

Also religion is not the only reason why one might want to ban porn or anything else.
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"Because I guess that you are heading towards the biggest adventure in Lamea, to the Well if Wishes, and so am I," she said while putting the last piece of bread in her mouth and smiled at him while going on: "And knowing the great skills associated with your name I find you a more then acceptable companion on the travel there, if that is your intended destination. As for why I myself am here, let's say I was at the right place at the right time. There are ears and eyes, especially Alagorian everywhere so we shall talk this in one of the terma's private fessu (steam/sauna) room if you are that interested in that matter, together with the latest bundle of news from home that I received before leaving Orientar as well."
She stood up and went up to the bar - with a nice tip on top of the pay for what she ordered, those eggs and goat milk were actually really good, she found out that the better of the town's two terma were just next to the river's entrance into the sea so she returned with that information to the table were she left the two ...


Pretty much what expect it to be - trough I want a democracy in which representatives are elected professionals, each voted independently from his political party, meant to create possible solutions for state problems and then present them to the nation, with information about each solution being presented by Non-Government Organizations, media and so on, and then voted on. For a solution to be accepted it would need 2/3 of the whole elective body to vote in favor of it. Voting might even be made obligatory and would probably needed to be handled by a secure and country-only electronic network - nothing impossible with the current tech in developed countries.

Why I want this? Because I am sick of hearing about someone wining the elections just because many voters did not show to vote or laws being made trough no one asked the people if they want such a law. I want a Democracy in which the people will be able to decide if they like a law (and its realistic effects on the state) or not and clearly say yes or no to it. Because I don't want a party to be elected which will have next to absolute power in the next x years of its mandate and sometimes make outrageously stupid laws. AKA I want a fairer Democracy, not this bulls**t in which one party just must make sure then more of its supporters show up to vote for it and then it has so much power in the next x years.
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The way I see it:I'm going to start off by saying that a society like the USSR did not so much 'kick religion to the curb' so much as decide to start an atheist theocracy. Which, makes sense. No totalitarian state is going to want to share power with any church. As such, the USSR is actually very antithetical to separation of church and state.


No USSR had a pseud-religion based around the ideas of Stalin's own little Cult of personality and many things stolen from Tsaric Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church. Stalin did his best to get rid of the Russian Orthodox Church because that organization always had significant political power in Russia - he was merely getting rid of his political enemies. After Stalin was gone USSR had somehow weakened the strain on the Russian Orthodox Church. Nothing new nothing old - Tokugawa did this in Japan since he feared that Christianity was an invitation for foreign powers.

Protagonist said Anyways, back to how I think separation of church and state should be handled:1. The Church is not God. A Christian preacher's job is to recruit more Christians, for God's sake. A Christian plumber's job is to fix people's pipes, for God's sake. Neither job is more holy.

Agreed. All occupations are equal and should be treated as equals in all possible views.

Protagonist said 2. Do not let the government control the church. Otherwise, they'll twist the church into propaganda tool for any political agenda they like.

Agreed. Just take a look at what did the government of Imperial Japan did to Shinto.

Protagonist said 3. Do not allow the church control the government. Otherwise, they'll become obsessed with political power rather than spiritual enlightenment.

I think that this also pretty obvious and has been given more then enough examples in favor of this trough the thread.

Protagonist said 4. Yes, the government should work for God, in a sense. No organization should try to wholly separate itself from God. Especially not Government. God is the ultimate statesman, and has jurisdiction that transcends our plane of existence.The intended result of these principles are this:The state must be founded on concepts such as natural laws and God-given rights. Exactly what this means is up for debate, but they are principles that should be in any law maker or voter's minds. For similar reasons, nobody should refuse to turn something into law because it has religious inspiration. That the bible says "Do not murder" does not mean that murder should be legal. Also, it's fine for government officials to do things like have "In God we trust" written on coinage. However, this has to apply equally to all religions. There can be no law forbidding muslims from posting "In Allah we trust" on coinage, either, if they can get enough support.However, the other caveat is that government should not try to take over church duties. For example, the government cannot do things like outlaw pornography or gay marriage. It's the job of the church to render them a non-issue through nonviolent means.


I have to disagree - I would be troubled to live under a government which clearly states that it is working for God - Any Government Should Firstly Work For The Benefit Its Citizens. Nothing else should be more important to a leader of a country then it's people.

The statesman thing - if you take a look at how your alleged "God" is displayed in most religious texts then he is a tyrannical ruler which apparently doesn't care for us except when he wants some quick amusement by us showing blind displays of faith in him.

The state should be formed from the people wishes to rule over themselves and the principles of human rights not from beliefs.

Most religious text have common shows of contradicting themselves in the way that they treat murder. There are many reasons why murder should be forbidden outside of religious texts.

It should be vice versa - coinage should not favor a single religion in any way - "In God we trust" is a clear show that the government favors Christianity. Trough to be true this was decided to be made in a time period much different then today and became more of a traditional custom than religious message. On the other hand if there is enough people which want to outlaw pornography in the populace and manged to pass such a law trough an referendum then this is just the will of the nation. That is probably the greatest and worst part of Democracy - majority rules. If Church took the role of forbidding things we would be back in the medieval age for history's sake, it is up to the people themselves to decide what will be allowed and what will be forbidden - that is the meaning of Democracy.
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