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Wiz, I'm sorry to say that you completely misunderstood Fragarach.

It isn't a blow meant to destroy countries or worlds. It is a blow meant to beat people with those kinds of powers.

It is a conceptual trick that warps time. Bazett's Fragarach can be used when an enemy brings out their trump card, a supreme ability of theirs, but once that condition is met it's already over.

It is a top-rate conceptual weapon that alters the chain of cause and effect. It is used as a "reaction" to a super attack, in this case Stein's Resonance, but alters time to strike the enemy before their attack is used.

Before Stein had even used his Resonance, he had already been killed by Fragarach. This was before his Resonance activated. The heart grabbing doesn't work because he'd already died. Even if it didn't, that's not how Fragarach works. All discounting BB's shenanigans.

I'll say more depending on how much BB wants to say, seeing as he's better at Nasu than myself.

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Because she posted today?

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Fate/Extra CCC, sequel to Fate/Extra.

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Gil doesn't value power. He values his things. Power's irrelevant. He seems himself as superior because w sees everything as his. Iskander's the same way. Gil sees everything as his object; Iskander sees everything as his subject. You should also probably check out other Fate materials besides Zero, Gil's more than you're making him out to be~

But I digress. Like what you want.

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Gil values objects, Iskander values subjects. In terms of that, their egos are equally large.

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Iskander's literally a subject-oriented version of Gil.

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The Kishin's natural state isn't a Kishin, though. A Kishin never starts as a Kishin.

Let me use an in-universe comparison of what Aqua Vitae can do. One of its purposes can be the purification of a vampire. A vampire can be compared to the Kishin, they are a being that is "no longer human", that has grown to become something non-human. The "natural state" of a vampire can be considered just being a vampire, by the same logic as what you applied to the Kishin, but Aqua Vitae restores them to a base level of humanity. Regardless of how vampiric they are, of how deeply ingrained being a vampire is a part of them, Aqua Vitae washes that away and makes them human.

It is an ultimate purification tool that operates physically, mentally, magically, and conceptually. Even if used on a Kishin, it restores them to the status of a man.

That said, I have no issue with what you did with Mia. It's fine if the shock from losing the Black Blood drove her insane again, but the existence of the Black Blood itself is no longer present. That said, this won't be an issue for her heart because Aqua Vitae also regrew her heart, same with Stein, so they don't have to worry about dying from lack of heart.

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Alright, so your argument focus has changed now, so I'll keep that in mind for this. I guess the point now is Enkidu's powers being too overpowered or not.

Is he overpowered? Oh yeah, of course. Is he invincible and utterly game-breaking? Not in the slightest. There are ways characters can be designed to avoid Enkidu's power, not to mention that Enkidu himself has a couple of fairly striking weaknesses. If you pay attention to what I've said so far, those should be apparent, though for obvious reasons I won't just go blurting them out to a non-GM.

Frankly, Enkidu's just sort of here to battle his best friend. I didn't intend for him to be an active participant, or even engage in much transformation, but when you decided to send a sliver into the fray I had to act in-character. In fact, if you had just let the battle continue, Gilgamesh and Enkidu's fight would have terminated in Gil's victory, because when the two are equal in power Gil's still the "protagonist".

Besides, we have characters with a level of omnipotence Enkidu lacks already present. My claim about your attempted facecrush is that you went into this expecting Gaia to be leagues above Gil and Enkidu, that's all. He's not "invincible", but the issue was that when you sent a sliver in thinking that it would have an edge, you sent out an enemy that Enkidu has probably the best compatibility against out of any other character. Even now, there are ways to beat him, depending on the character. It's up to you to try and find those.

As an apology for apparently annoying you, I won't argue if you decide to have Gaia escape the attempted explosion of him. If you want him to stay and fight, that's fine too, your choice.

Enkidu will stop being relevant relatively soon regardless, as will Gil, though. That'll be explained shortly.

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Alright, lemme explain. Enkidu's ability has two main parts. Presence Detection and Shapeshifting.

Presence Detection means he is capable of detecting and analyzing "anything". On what wiz is saying with regards to Bob not being analyzable, that's nonsensical. Literally anything can be analyzed by Enkidu. The sword of rupture, Ea, is a weapon of which "only one can exist," one that even has the property of "cannot be understood" as a core of its profile. Enkidu can understand it and replicate it nonetheless.

Besides, your main argument seems to be not that Enkidu can't "understand" Bob, but that he can't replicate him.

That's also incorrect.

Enkidu is not just a shapeshifter in the sense of changing body. Shapeshifting EX is limitless. Physical, mental, magical, conceptual, and so on. How does he replicate Bob's power? Because his clay takes on the same conceptual properties. If Bob is a manifestation of human emotion, then he is closer to a "concept" than a living being, which is well within Enkidu's ability seeing as things like conceptual weapons are commonplace where he's from. A weapon "made of human emotion" isn't too out there for a Noble Phantasm, so there's no conceptual difference as far as Enkidu's concerned. A sword formed out of the dreams of humanity which loosed a blast of glory formed out of the condensed ideals of man is literally Excalibur's description, and he can replicate WAAAY more than Excalibur. He doesn't need to have the same "power" as what he's replicating to start, because his property is "limitless shapeshifting". That's his nature, changing at not only the material but the immaterial level.

So, he's not unique enough because A. Things like him exist in Nasuverse, B. Enkidu can copy "unique" existences like those, and C. Conceptual shapeshifting makes it all irrelevant.

Frankly, he would have stayed around the same level as Gil if you didn't try and use OPness to facecrush him. Enkidu counters things like that.

On Yuki's comment with even Bob having limits, that's fine. If his power source has a limit, then Enkidu's copy of it will have those same limits. If wiz insists it's limitless though, then so is Enkidu's.

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Sorry about that last post~

It's generally a very bad idea to let Enkidu get a chance to perceive really powerful beings. If the strongest he's seen is Gil, he'll be able to invoke the same mysteries as Gil, but if someone else shows up...

Well, you can see how that works out~