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Shy said
Well that's a shame.My friend was totally thinking of getting into roleplaying and we were going to do a 1x1, guess I'm stearing clear of THAT section though.


Just do it through emails or PMs. 1x1 RPs with a friend are a great way for someone to get into it and learn about RPing, without the time pressure on group RP posting or the worry about accidentally committing a social faux-pas.

Dervish said
Usually, if I'm doing a 1x1 with somebody, I stick to PMs.Not because I'm expecting to get into the steamy smut shit, but partially because I'd rather not be seen frequenting 1x1 for that reason that this thread is about. It's honestly kind of embarrassing. Sometimes it's nice to just have a relaxed, quick moving game with just another person without the expectations of a group RP, but without getting caught in the trappings of the hanky-panky lovers. Seriously, if you see anyone who are looking for lazy, generic pairings, chances are they want to pretend you're slipping a turbo hot beef injection into their nether regions. Run far, far away.


[2]. Although I will briefly mention that I don't think sexual relationships between RP characters are inherently a bad thing (excluding the ad-revenue issue, obviously) - I mean, if it organically grows between two characters throughout the course of a roleplay then I don't really see why not. It's the blatant smut, the sexual roleplay just for the sake of, uh, "pretending to slip a turbo hot beef injection into their nether regions", that pisses me off. And the fact that they've overrun 1x1 with it and are sacrificing any ad revenue for the site.

The Nexerus said
The downfall of the United Kingdom.


Depressing, isn't it? At least you don't have to live here and watch it happen.
Seventeen; eighteen in July. Been around RPG on-and-off since I was thirteen.
Smiral said
sometimes I like weird wispy musicI love daughter, for examplefucking indie rock bruh


Yes.
Other people know who Daughter is. There is hope.
The Nexerus said
If there are good arguments against oil use, they don't come from scarcity. Just as technological improvements make alternative energy sources more capable, they also allow access to oil reserves that had either been unreachable or economically infeasible to utilize in the past.To put it in perspective, the Athabasca Oil Sands alone have been estimated to hold two trillion barrels worth of oil, the vast majority of which cannot currently be collected. The entire world's current proven reserves are 1.3 trillion barrels.Scarcity isn't an issue, and it becomes even less of an issue as time passes.


Did I say scarcity was the only issue? It's simply one of many - as I said, it has "numerous and fundamentally damaging flaws." I'm sure you're aware of most of them, though, so I won't rattle them off.
And even in regards to the apparent untruth of the scarcity of oil... regardless of how much exists, we are consuming it far, far more quickly than it is produced by natural processes, and we will run out some day - so we need to be investing in alternatives. We are aware that it is finite. We are aware it will run out. We are aware we will need an alternative. We are aware that to replace the amount of energy we currently get from fossil fuels, a lot of research and development is needed to find alternate sources. The logical step is pretty obvious: start researching and developing alternatives. I'm not saying everyone should convert to electric cars now, or that we should switch entirely to solar energy, because those technologies aren't ready yet. Which is kinda my point: they aren't ready, they need to be ready, so we need to invest in them.
So both due to scarcity - because, really, regardless of how many trillions of barrels we have left to extract from the bowels of the earth, it is undeniably finite compared to renewable (and thus, for all practical purposes, infinite) energy sources - and due to the multiple other issues with fossil fuel use - pollution, the risk of spills, and so on and so forth - I believe there needs to be investment in alternative sources of fuel.

So Boerd said
You have disposable income. Buy some shares in an alternative energy mutual fund.


Actually, I don't. I'm saving for university. But honestly, what's your point here? Some oft-trotted out argument about me needing to take action to back up my words? Please, spare me. The question was about Keystone XL and whether we feel government should allow it to go forward - and, therefore, what I said was in regards to government action, i.e. government investment and legislation.
I also just watched Vsauce's new video, and had another thought.

In the video, he reads an excerpt, imagining if books had been invented after the internet: "Pehaps the most dangerous property of these 'books' is the fact that they follow a fixed, linear path. You can't control their narratives in any fashion - you simply sit back and have their narratives dictated to you." He then goes on to discuss the difference between interactive media and traditional books, highlighting the passiveness and submissiveness of the latter - in which we learn to simply follow the plot, and not to lead - and the control the far more participatory former option grants us.

Perhaps fanfiction is simply the way in which a modern generation of people, who have grown up with access to and a society-wide extensive use of participatory, interactive media is reacting to the traditional passive/submissive engagement we have with stories others have written. The idea of power, control, and choice is enormously important in Western society - as has been noted in the "Normal?" thread here, we are constantly bombarded with messages of both rebellion against conformity, and individuality, and we have a fixation on "heroes": those who control and change the world with their actions; those who have, in some way, "mastered" the world rather than simply "coping" as the majority of us must do, living in a largely reactionary capacity. As fanfiction in its modern form largely arose in tandem with the idea of interactive, participatory media in which we have control, a "say", a way to express ourselves in a less linear fashion (think about navigating the web - it is a web, non-linear, in which we can jump about, unlike either fictional or factual books which are linear), is it not arguable that they are linked? In fanfiction, we take control of characters we know and love, and do with them as we will - we take control of and interact with something previously linear and dictated. In accordance with our changing tastes in methods of storytelling and media, we turn what was once a passive relationship into an active one.

Interestingly, this is arguably the opposite of my "consumerism" point, in which we passively absorb and regurgitate the same ideas.
Brovo said
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not.


I'm like 99.7% sure it is. 'cause it's Nex.

On-Topic:
Literally everything I know about this issue comes from a brief Wikipedia search and reading this thread, but here's my two cents:

The environmentalists aren't wrong, in a sense. In an ideal world, I'd oppose Keystone XL too. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world, and sometimes we must sacrifice things for the sake of functionality and practicality. This is one of those cases.
However, I only believe things like this should be allowed to go forward if we are simultaneously, actively investing in alternative energy sources. It should be viewed as a "necessary evil", so to speak: we have to do it now because of current circumstances, but we should be working towards a world in which it's not necessary. The purpose of humanity's progress and development should be to make the world a better place, and we need to invest in that, particularly in regards to energy (we all know the issues around finite fuel sources etc.) Not simply to find something that works well enough, despite its numerous and fundamentally damaging flaws, and let that be the status quo until it goes horribly fucking wrong.
I think the definition of normal has already been flogged to death in this thread, so I won't go there again.

However, should someone try to be normal? That's more interesting.
While in principle I agree with Dervish and Protagonist, I find that principles and reality don't always match up. Yes, we should all simply be individuals, acting neither for or against society simply for the sake of it - as long as our individual desires do not fall too far outside of society's "norm". What happens, however, when your beliefs and desires are extreme in some way?
It may well be better for the lonely goth kid to put away the makeup and trenchcoat, go out there and make some friends without being ridiculed or feared for his appearance and interests, even if that's not being "true to himself". He's potentially more likely to be productive to society, beneficial for his community, and happy in himself if he does that, rather than being isolated or ostracised.
I'm always very much torn on this issue. I'm fairly fiercely non-conformist (not anti-, non-, i.e. what Dervish was saying about neither conforming nor not conforming for the sake of it), and have received my fair share of shit from people for being different from many of my peers, but sometimes I think being "true to yourself" can actually just make you less happy. I know that if I relinquished my principle of non-conformity a little bit, I'd probably have gotten in less trouble at school and would have avoided a lot of unpleasant things. Sometimes, despite the principle, conformity just for the sake of conformity/fitting in is a good thing, and can be positive.

tl;dr: In principle, yes, be a non-conformist, as Derv and Protagonist outlined. However, in reality, sometimes principles have to be loosened to actually get the best and happiest outcome, because principles are black-and-white and reality is not.
How do you guys feel about fan-fiction, and why do you think it comes about? Is it positive or negative?

I've seen people say it is a harmless product of engaging with a story, and others say it is simply lazy writing for those lacking in the originality to actually invent their own stories and characters.

I'm very much torn on this. Although fan-fiction has existed for a long time, its modern form is often distinctly different from its origins. Instead of seeking to expand and develop aspects of stories and characters fanfic writers felt were neglected in the official canon, characters and scenarios are now frequently taken entirely out of the context of their original canon. Why these characters/settings are used instead of more appropriate characters, or even original characters created by the writer, is, I think, at the core of fanfiction, and raises some interesting questions.

When fanfiction was just developing, through fan magazines and such, it was a way to add more depth and texture to the setting/characters of the original. Personally, I quite like this idea - I like the idea of a group of people all organically growing and defining a fictional universe, each of them doing so with a different flavour. I imagine that many of you on this forum are like me in terms of loving lore and the background of fictional universes, and I feel fan contributions to this are a positive thing. In the modern form, however, this is absolutely not what is being done much of the time. What is the motivation for borrowing characters and settings from alternate universes, especially when the context makes no sense?

Of course, one answer is obvious: that, having watched a show or read a book, the writer becomes attached to the character and therefore, for obvious reasons, wants to continue to use and develop that character, particularly knowing that others out there - other members of their fandom - will immediately be engaged with the characters and will feel an attachment.
In this case, do you view this as lazy writing, a way to avoid having to put in time and effort to create relatable characters, or as a natural result of engaging with the stories that are presented to us through several mediums every day? If the latter, then it's easy to argue that it's no different from the original goal of fanfiction - to expand characterisation and plot beyond the scope of the canon. If the former, I ask: what, then, when it is only the facade of the characters that is taken?
Often it is not as if the writer is trying to accurately represent the characters' personalities from the canon, but has instead created their own character and simply slapped the name of a known character on it. As an example, I once read a fanfiction that borrowed character names and themes from The Phantom of the Opera, set in France about the time of the revolution. It was utterly fantastic, and written extremely well - but had absolutely fuck-all to do with Phantom. The characters were well-crafted, and the "Phantom" still had a scarred face, and Christina could still sing beautifully, but in personality of the characters and in terms of plot, the fanfiction differs utterly. This writer wrote a fantastic piece of work, lovingly created characters that readers could engage with, and yet for some reason pasted the names of Phantom characters over the top, seemingly unnecessarily. Admittedly, the two works share similar themes, but that is no reason to appropriate the names. This cannot be accused of being lazy writing, as having been a cheap way to get readers engaged or as being a lack of originality, so perhaps the only explanation is, again, a deep personal engagement with the characters.

This would explain why people often appropriate beloved characters for wildly unlikely scenarios that play out like the writer's own fantasies. Of course, in their fantasy, they're going to use those they feel connected to.

The thought that prompted me to make this thread, however, is a somewhat darker one. It's fairly undeniable that we, as a society, have fallen into an increasingly consumerist attitude. Whether this is a good or bad thing is an issue for another time, but so-called "turbo-consumerism" has an iron vice on us. More and more, we are seeing people desire less to create or change things, and desire more to passively absorb. Is it possible that the increasing fanfiction phenomenon is a result of this? That the misappropriation of beloved characters is a sad reflection of a society in which we do nothing but consume and absorb, and thus can only create from that which we take in? Does our society have that much of an effect on our innate thought processes? Stories have been around since the dawn of language as a way of teaching and entertaining - they are intrinsic to human spirit, and the potential for language is now strongly hard-wired into our DNA, as is our response to stories and parables. Is it possible for that to be overridden by a modern society that discourages the creation required for new and engaging stories, and arguably encourages absorption and regurgitation of other works? A similar phenomenon can be seen in the film and gaming industries - two other ways in which we tell and share stories in today's world - with the constant, never-ending onslaught of reboots and sequels. Are we in danger of seeing a similar crisis in even our literature and writing?

I suppose the above is simply a twist on the "lack of originality" argument, but it certainly got me thinking. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the matter. I don't think this touches on anything too sensitive (religion, politics, etc. etc. blah-di-blah), but you guys have a way of turning anything into an argument (iloveyoureally), so I'll just put a warning here: please do not lose thy collective shit at any point. Calm, rational discussion does far more for you and for humanity as a whole, no matter how moronic you think someone else is being.
Wayne said
Political correctness sucks


My mother works in the public sector here in the UK, and her whole department was given pamphlets on what terminology they are and are not allowed to use at work the other day.
Apparently, they're no longer allowed to use the term "politically correct", because it inherently implies that someone else's views are politically incorrect, and that is offensive and could easily upset someone.
The term "politically correct" is, now, apparently, not politically correct.

I fucking wish I was joking.
Wayne said
Let me guess. Scotland is trying to join Russia now.


Mhmm. Yep. Totes. >_>. Actually, a part of Scotland (North Berwick) is legally, technically still at war with Russia, apparently, due to changes in territory or some such coinciding with declaring or rescinding declaration of war.
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