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Maxwell said
Let's get the easy stuff out of the way first. I don't care about the sword - I didn't even mention it in my post, and as far as I can tell, its effects on gameplay are negligible at most. Knowing arcane magic (healing or otherwise) makes you a wizard, in the same sense that being a pediatrician makes you a doctor. You may not get the respect that a brain surgeon has, but you had a hell of a way to go to get there anyway. You know magic, that is your main skill in life, not something you pick up as a hobby. Especially something as painstakingly precise as healing - unless you want to turn yourself inside out by accident. Seems like that was a simple misunderstanding, though, so I'll withdraw some of my accusations.


I misread your post then in regards to the sword. I thought part where you talked about not playing it by feel for making enchanted items meant that I the player shouldn't have made the sword. I see now that was a misread. Also I understand and appreciate that the magic issue has been resolved.

Maxwell said You also lose all natural evolution privileges once you've made a half-giant, half-tree person. The fact that *that* blasphemy against genetics can have a child with whatever race Erasmus was just throws any science talk out the window right away. But that's not the issue here. My personal aversion toward fantasy halfbreeds notwithstanding, in-universe justifications are just window dressing. What's important is the player's motivation for wanting to play whatever character they've made - and how well they convince me they're going to enrich the game rather than take away from. I do see the one you put in your post down there at the bottom, and I'll address that in a moment. I just want to emphasize that that's what matters.


All I can say here is that I am not sure where you got 'tree person' from and that it made me chuckle a bit to see that. Also that I appreciate your not holding the race hybrid against me and that I do still plan to use it.

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Your sheet is too long for me to go over it with a fine-toothed comb looking for every place where I think communication failed, but ultimately, what you convey is much more important than what exactly you write. I didn't take away much about your character from reading it - especially not about who she became who she is. She seems to live by natural talent and sheer luck, and the hardships she's faced amount to a childhood tragedy and one hungry ocean voyage, after which she immediately married into royalty and lived in the lap of luxury ever since. Traumatizing, certainly, but there's no journey, no progression, no development, just "everyone died and she was sad, now she's not sad anymore." Every part where she might have connected with society and the people around her are glossed over, where the parts you could have glossed over "her mother was kidnapped during a raid and taken as a concubine by the king, done" take up several paragraphs, despite happening in the distant past, far away and to characters that have nothing to do with anyone else's character and will never affect the game in any meaningful way.

What was her marriage like? How did she snap out of her depression? Was she a burden to her husband until he nearly abandoned her? Did having children change her? What did she think about living in a country permanently waging war at every border? Did she have to struggle to find acceptance? How was her unique brand of magic received? There are thousands of things that could affect who she is, but her background seems to mostly focus on the physical flow of events, and not at all on how any of this impacted her. Even the stuff that could be emotionally impactful is relegated to a couple of sentences - her child is murdered, but all that leads to is a description of how the attackers lost some limbs. Even the violence strikes me as uninspired. Also, you promised flashbacks - as in, role playing segments no one can interact with or even perceive. I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with that, and to me that only increases the feeling that your character is stuck in a past that has nothing to do with the present.


Two things here, the flashbacks were intended to be included within posts of mine to help people get more into the character that I have created, not to take up entire posts and avoid interaction. My plan was to use them to enrich the experience. As for the rest. I am currently reworking much of her back story and expanding on elements that relate to her emotions and development ect which should help meet your desires.

Maxwell said
And then, there's a whole 'nother misunderstanding I have to address. This one's not nearly as serious or big, though. Everyone is stronger, tougher, faster etc than a baseline human, unless you choose not to be (and of course, I expect wizards to limit themselves relative to warriors), and the way you wrote it, I interpreted it as you not realizing that, but wanting to have it all anyway, which is an attitude I'm wary of to the point of paranoia. Getting run through with a sword and just keeling over dead is actually below my expectations. Did you perhaps mean to say that that's all she has to make her more physically capable than the average person?


This was simply a misunderstanding. I meant to say exactly that and that if on the off chance you thought she was too strong in light of her magic I would be willing to change it.

Maxwell said Your last paragraph, wherein you explain your motivation, is the reason I still have faith in you. That motivation is what I care about the most. However, even there I have some issues. Mainly, that I don't feel the impact of any of those things in your sheet, and despite your explanation, I have no idea what you want.


I thank you for still having faith in me. I'll try to improve the sheet. I'm not sure what you mean with you "I'm not sure what you want" part though.
Acrolith I have sent you a pm.

Maxwell I am in the awkward position of having just written an essay defending an idea that I think may actually not be as good as I had initially thought. Would you permit me to make some changes and resubmit her with some of the elements that people have pointed out to me changed and improved? Or, if my post above has convinced you may I use her as she is? I am willing to do either.
Maxwell said
A hybrid, clearly of the "have your cake and eat it too" variety Okay, let's see here...Your character is a super tall, super strong, super tough, super rare supermodel with superpowers. Her personality is 'sad background', 'kind', and 'hesitates to use her wondrous powers'. On top of that, she is a wizard, a talented negotiator even when not using her mind control powers, a lost princess from a distant kingdom (whose cultural values she does not seem to share), and a half-breed of two races that are both of the 'like humans but better and prettier' variety.I am always open to the possibility that I may be wrong, and feel free to object if you feel I've summarized your character unfairly. Surely, though, you can see why I'm getting some serious wish fulfillment vibes from this character. I'm also not sensing much of a motivation behind your choices - there's a lot of text, and while it's not bad prose as such, it really seems to me as if there are two characters traits and one element of her backstory that take up the vast majority of the focus.Other than that, I have a minor gripe. You cannot play arcane magic by ear, especially when creating magical items. The success rate is low enough and the cost high enough that an emperor would beggar himself before he guessed how it works. Additionally, I would assume that this woman would be famous throughout the Fanged Isles for her immaculate beauty and unrivaled healing magic. That might make going anywhere incognito rather difficult.


Okay. I believe that you have read my character in the worst possible way but you did offer me the chance to defend my choices, which I will make use of considering that fact that I believe you have read her wrong. Now to begin this process and hopefully allow you to read my character in the light that I did when I created her.

Firstly, I object to the statement that she is an example of wish fulfillment. I personally have no desire to actually be an 8 foot tall half lorenvolk half vaelie in real life. lol That is not the most serious of objections but I thought to start things off on a lighter note there and hope you found it at least mildly humorous.

Moving on to the more serious elements of the explanation, I feel that I should make it clear exactly what the lorenvolk heritage actually means, since it appears some of it did not translate well. The lorenvolk are a race of what would best be described as giants, Lin'Lise is only half lorenvolk but the fact that she is half Llorenvolk accounts for her abnormal size and abnormal strength. These you are correct in spotting for she is indeed "Super tall, and super strong" as you put it. However she is not super damage resistant or tough. This is actually extremely important and you appear to have misread it. The lorenvolk, to actually support themselves and not break apart from muscle strain on their bones ect, actually have to have a different bone structure. I had thought to have her inherit this bone structure from her father's side because it seemed a reasonable thing to have inherited. Further this trait only actually applies to her bones, her skin, muscles, internal organs, are all just as easily damaged as any humans, it is only the bones specifically that are so strong. You crack her over the head with a mace and she'll still die, you run her through with a sword and she will still die. Further the fact that her bones are like that is what makes it literally impossible for her to swim. However I will stress here that I had included it for completeness' sake rather than any real desire to have her possess the lorenvolk bones and that I am more than willing to remove that trait(The bones) and in truth to reduce her physical strength a bit if you see necessary.

I should also make the exact limits of her strength clear. She is likely at this time roughly 1 1/2 humans in strength. I am uncertain that classifies her as super strong or just makes sense in the light of her heritage but if you feel it should be nerfed and she should only be deceptively strong in that she despite her appearance has the strength of a very strong human I would be more than willing to make that change.

To the next element of the half vaelie heritage. Will you accept that I made a mistake in this section and did not realize it until now? There was supposed to be an important caveat which stated, "As Lin'Lise is only half vaelie her natural compounds are both weaker and less long lasting than a pure vaelie. Further by virtue of her thinner blood she does not produce as large of an amount of the compounds and where a true vaelie would rarely run low it is easy for her to deplete her stores of them." This line was supposed to be at the end of the segment about vaelie 'magics.' I think what most likely happened here was that I was too tired while working on the sheet and that it simply, along with a bunch of grammar issues and typos slipped through the cracks. I will be adding that line to the description as soon as this post is finished.

You describe her as a 'supermodel.' Now to be fair I will concede that she does have that appearance at first glance as she is designed to be extremely beautiful. I believe though that this element can easily be explained and justified. The vaelie are a race of beings for whom this 'supernatural' beauty is an actual evolutionary advantage alongside their other 'magics'. They in ancient times were eaters of men and other humanoid races. They would use their assets such as their beauty and compounds as lures to muddle the mind, entice the weak willed, draw in those who could be subdued and consumed. As I stated there is actually a reason for this beauty to exist in the vaelie and she inherited it.

I would not describe her as a wizard. Her actual magical knowledge is strictly limited to the healing arts and what magic words she knows are specifically in that realm. She is not the sort of magic user who flings around fireballs and does impressive things of that nature with magic, in large part because she actually does not know how. I feel like that is important to mention because her magic should not be seen as being on wizard level in anyway outside of her healing skills.

"She is a talented negotiator and mediator even without using her powers." This is not incorrect. However I want to explain the reasoning behind this. If you were a stranger in a land where you could not speak the language, a stranger with a precarious position, wouldn't you work to avoid causing conflicts and strife? She has honed those skills because she viewed them as essential to her survival.

On the subject of the "Lost princess" bit. She was indeed a princess by virtue of her birth, and she was indeed lost in a sense though that is not the word I would use. However I am not sure this is inherently a bad thing. Moving on to the more serious element of this point you state that she does not seem to share the culture of her homeland. I will say that this statement is wrong in several ways. Firstly she does have many elements of the culture of her homeland. Her social mannerisms come from Vyrndar, her speech patterns come from Vyrndar, her ideas of justice and punishment come from Vyrndar and to an extent her mother's teachings, her knowledge of languages comes from Vyrndar and her mother primarily (though she did learn the language of this land), her clothing comes from Vyrndar, the specific nature of her desire for vengeance also comes from a mixture of vaelie and lorenvolk traditions, ect. Secondly with her backstory already exhaustively long I perhaps petered out a bit at the end, but not everything about her emotions and desires were included. For example when she first set out from Vyrndar towards her mother's homeland she had intended to raise an army and take back her throne, after she was marooned on this land after seeking asylum the thing she petitioned for most for years was aid in taking back her homeland, aid that was never granted her. Notably she settled for life here and made the best of it pretty well but it was a third choice, not the first or even the second. This is one of many examples and I can produce more if you want.

Her personality was written when I was exhausted and late at night. I don't personally see an issue with any of her personality traits, she is a natural optimist, she is a kind person on the whole, and she isn't a fan of being the abusive and manipulative 'bitch' (pardon my language) that her own mother was. This is in part because she saw what the ultimate fate of her mother who used the vaelie 'magics' liberally was. I would say that her personality as it stands is incomplete as it does not mention several elements that I now notice are missing.

As for the magic sword. If you wish we can consider it dropped if you would like? I'm fine with doing so if you wish it done.

I am uncertain that she would be famed throughout the entire region. She brought some healing words unknown to Altrantor, I purposefully didn't specify if they were new to the islands on the whole. However she would quite likely be well known in Altrantor and possibly known of to a degree outside of it. She is not the most suited for going places incognito, but given there are other beings with large stature in the islands if she was to conceal her features it is very possible that she could avoid being recognized for who and what she is if necessary.

To recount, She is physically, a bit stronger than a strong human, taller than a human, heavier than a human and incapable of swimming, has natural manipulative tricks, and possesses a unique and somewhat exotic beauty. Magically she is above average at healing but rather poor at everything else. She also serves as a mediator and conflict resolver. To me this does not seem to be over the power level that the rest of the cast has.

Lastly and hopefully this will help make her seem more palatable, she is a character who I feel has a great deal of depth to her. I wanted to showcase the very real grief that accompanies extreme loss, to tell a tale that had seemed almost classical fantasy only to turn the happy ending on its ear, to play a character who is something of a diplomancer but who does it in an interesting and different way, to play a character who comes from a different culture and who has spent much of her life now in a land where everything is at least somewhat alien but who has learned to cope and adjust, to play a character who not only faced the fall of her 'world' once but after adjusting and eventually settling into a new life has seen her world uprooted again. I feel like this character with her unique fusion of cultures and her unique ancestry gives me the best chance of doing this and I hope you will give me the chance to prove it in the rp.
Here you go. I hope you all like it as much as I do for it was a labor of love to make. :) She's got more than one reason to hate the invaders.

So should I post my character sheet here or in the OOC when it is finished?
Awesome, I have sent you a private message in which I have asked another question now.
Alright, is there space to detail the affairs of one of the children of the king a bit?
I wish to ask a question, I did a brief read through of all the sheets and I do not believe anywhere it specified a exactly what the marital status of the king at the time of his death was. If it was and I missed it I apologize. This is important to know for my character concept.
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Nexus, I sent you another pm
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