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Brovo said
Except no. You asked for evidence of human rights, I gave you one. If you tried to murder me, you would be punished for violating my human right to live.Humans made human rights. If you're talking about some sort of higher, indomitable "collective" of human rights that some sky daddy made, no, of course there aren't any. If you murder me, the universe isn't going to suddenly strike you down with the hammer of the flying spaghetti monster, you could legitimately get away with it.As for "human rights" in the sense of morality: Empathy, sympathy, and our being social animals, in combination with an ever evolving society that grows more and more complex, requires a more advanced set of laws and guidelines by which to live our lives, which includes human rights.This is pretty simple shit mate.As for that document, that [all men] are endowed by their creator, you'll note they didn't say God. Or a Goddess. Or even a deity. You can construe creator to mean all sorts of things and that was the intent of it. If you believe your creator was your parents, it still works. If you believe your creator was the Judeo-Christian God, then it still works. That is the purpose of that document. Plus I'm not saying the document is perfect, I'm not saying that the things on it are without flaw, and I'm not saying it's a universal truth. I'm also not using it to prove that there is an invisible sky daddy watching over us all that you can't ever see, hear, or touch: I'm using it to prove that there are human rights which we created. Because if you murder me in front of the police, they'll arrest your ass. .


Clearly the point is lost on you. Why should I afford you human rights?

Because "better" is subjective, give me any objective criteria by which to measure it (including the percentage of people who self-identify as happy) and I can craft you a society which maximizes any number of those criteria by not respecting human rights, a society in which you would not want to live regardless of its superior consequences.
AegonVI said
It actually IS, thank you very much. We just got a shiny new port. Though I'm not sure how well Missouri is faring, what with it not having a port to ship things as long as it's against the CSA. Same fares for Kentucky.


Perhaps I wasn't clear enough: There is a price for US neutrality in a potential WW1 situation.
AegonVI said
Those Germans and their wars...


I hear New Orleans is pleasant this time of year.
That's like using the Bible to prove God.

By the way, on the topic of founding documents,

"...that [all men] are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights"
Someone hasn't been reading the Constantinople convo closely.
AegonVI said
The storm that is the next war update, no doubt.


Things are happening next war update, don't you worry.
Calm before the storm, no doubt.
Lord Monbodo said
Well, Flooby has already said that diplomacy can be conducted instantly. If you want to formalize it you could just mention that the negotiations were finished in the next round of posting.


This works too.
FortunesFaded said
True, although I've already posted for the season.. And chronologically I think the events of my post took place before the battle. Unless maybe you want to do it as a secret action which occurred sometime between this round and next?


Secret as in "Not advertised", sure.
Carefully read the first post of this thread. CAREFULLY.


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