• Last Seen: 11 yrs ago
  • Joined: 12 yrs ago
  • Posts: 2579 (0.58 / day)
  • VMs: 0
  • Username history
    1. So Boerd 12 yrs ago

Status

User has no status, yet

Bio

User has no bio, yet

Most Recent Posts

there is *no such thing* as a good reason to nuke China, Russia


You can't seriously believe that. Admittedly, it was a bigger concern back when the Soviets had overwhelming conventional force which we could not match. If those were the circumstances today, I would be willing to risk a Soviet retaliatory strike to prevent all Portugal to Helsinki falling under totalitarism.

This is also why we must not only maintain nuclear superiority, but conventional superiority. I want the decision to begin the cataclysmic event or face an enormous military defeat to be Putin's, not Obama's. It takes very little relative resolve to stand up to China conventionally if they invaded Japan, but much more to risk nuclear. Also, this is why I support a Japanese nuclear arsenal.

For example, Russia invades Estonia and threatens nuclear war if we resist. We should indubitably resist, and not paralytically fear the bomb. That step becomes much easier if Russia believes we are willing to pre-empt it if it starts to behave like it will go through with the threat.

If we unilaterally went to a minimum deterrence posture, like naive idiots in the vein of Carl Sagan would suggest, we risk Putin calculating (likely correctly) that we won't risk resisting him because it means the death of nearly one of us.
So if Russia does not nuke London and Paris, but nukes the others, the Anglo-French response should be...

My purpose is that people should stop thinking every nuclear war will be a life-extinguishing global extinction event. Such that if Russia or China use tactical nuclear weapons, we should not fear a response in kind. If they and other nuclear states ever get that there is almost nothing save an impending attack on our countries to warrant a nuclear response, they are more likely to step out of line.
France and UK have no incentive to nuke every Russian city. Doing so means Russia nukes every one of their cities. They have every reason to just nuke an equivalent number of Russians and hope Russia calls it quits there.
So can we change orders then?
Chat!
Chapatrap said
Brit in exile here. I wouldn't support a nuclear strike against Russia. I wouldn't support a strike against anyone.


Russia nukes London. No counterstrike?
So Russia nukes Berlin, Rome, London, Paris and Madrid, but makes no preparations for a strike on the US. US strike or no?
Because the adversary is important to the question.

Americans, what level of Chinese provocation would warrant a US nuclear strike? How about Russian?

Anglo-French, at what level of Russian provocation would you support your country independently using its nuclear capabilities?

Russians, American/Chinese provocation

Chinese, Russian/American provocation

Indians/Pakistanis, each other and for Indians, China.

Israelis, Arab world.

I have deliberately not provided casualty estimates, as A. I just had this idea for a topic, B. That's a lot of research, C. I want to see how your opinions change once I give cold hard numbers. But, I suspect you will all look it up anyway to avoid looking disproportionately hawkish/dovish. D. Because there are different attack options.
mdk said
If ISIS is planning an attack against US-Mexico border security, methinks there are plenty of friends to be had in the coyote business.


Not sure I believe this, tbh. The more they attack, the more pressure on Bama to secure the border. They can attack after the midterms all they want.
Magic Magnum said
I seriously doubt they'd manage to get out of Mexico at the moment with their current resources. Especially if it made news and people are panicking about it.Plus just about anything they try in Mexico is bound to be met with a swift end since they lack the public support back home. The only chance I see them having is finding an Islamic community and then somehow convincing them all to go so extreme that even the extremists step back and go "Woah, that's extreme".


Did McVeigh have support?
© 2007-2026
BBCode Cheatsheet