So Boerd

From Stardust, To Stardust

Ok, I gotta finish nerfing though.

From Stardust, To Stardust

Sukui said
Okay not nowBoerd gets the Big V

Sure?

From Stardust, To Stardust

Dodged a bullet then.

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Sukui said
Ah, well. Finally made up my mind.HUMANITY, I CHOOSE YOU!

Which humanity?

The Sword of Damocles: Cold War NRP

No worries

Legions: Rise of Rome

K, just making sure.

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Rare said
Well, if you think about it, slavery did have good outcomes. One, Economically, slavery was very beneficial to the landowners for whom they worked. Since they did not have to pay wages (although some did provide basic necessities) they enjoyed a larger bottom line (profit) This speaks to political advantages. Directly or indirectly, these profits were used to build the infrastructure of countries that had slavery. Two, it helped out the New World alot. I mean, slavers helped grew the population in the New World- 9.4 and 12 million arrived in the New World. The rich and wealthy people wouldn't give up anything and travel to the New World as well. And three, it founded the cultures, traditions, and the customs of slaves. Where would we be without jazz, folk tales, and many other famous things? Such there were tons of very bad things that happened towards slaves and changed them forever; but, you got to think deep in this topic. Since the concept of "slavery" is as old as man himself and has not been limited to any race or class of people throughout history, you might well say that, socially speaking, this practice is the foundation for even modern laborers. Those of us who work for someone other than ourselves contribute greatly to the wealth of only a small percentage of our population here in the US.(Again, I'm not racism, just saying the facts).

Negative economic impacts. You had people who didn't care about the quality of work as they were not rewarded doing the work and a bunch of unproductive people whose work they took.

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Lo Pellegrino said
So Boerd, antiquated it might be if the systems of oppression didn't remain active today. But they are... so, it's not exactly an out-dated thing.Nobody is talking about material compensation. We're talking about redefining the values assigned to individuals based on their colour and background. They are currently skewed to the extreme and that is a problem. You say that this way of thinking is what condoned the Jewish genocide, but I'd say that more coloured individuals have been incarcerated and murdered unjustly largely due to an accident of birth. We live in a world where walking into a room while dark skinned can identify you as a threat. That's more likely to cause another racially driven genocide, in my opinion.

Weren't we talking about affirmative action?

American, not African American?

So Boerd you're suggesting slavery had positive outcomes. Step and consider that thought for a moment, and ask yourself, is that really an argument you expect to catch favour with those of us whose grandparents and beyond suffered because of the ramifications of such?

Korean here, I'll hold my "historically abused" credentials up against anyone else's, including a still existing Russian-installed state that is the most brutal in history. You imply that I am saying if I were doing it all over again in the 1500s, I would advocate slavery. Of course not. That is an absurd and baseless allegation. But it cannot be denied that as a consequence, writing, the wheel, and numerous other inventions were introduced. (Yes, I know paleolithic was not universal). Was it "worth it"? Hell no. But it happened.

Therefore, Africans were not materially held back by Europeans and are entitled to no material compensation now, even if I accept this antiquated "corruption of blood" argument used to condone Jewish genocide.

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Heads up Bird, Carthaginians and Iberians are white.