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American, not African American?

Robeatics said
You act as if your contention is somehow at all logical and befitting of the premises, and thereby some kind of law that has to be fulfilled by every single premise in order for any of them to be correct. I don't even know what you're trying to argue beyond to say that what Asta is saying does not coincide with YOUR OWN idea of the justice system.

How do the premises I stated not entail the conclusion?

And, I outright stated the premises may be false, but one must be or premise 4 must be.

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American, not African American?

Surely someone wise and gifted as you are would be able to multiply the black crime numbers in your own source (FBI souce) by around 6 (85%/15%) to see that blacks per person commit far more serious crimes, which explains longer average sentences. Now, if you'd like to start providing sources for tougher sentences for first time offenders?

As for the racist justice system, let me give you an old-fashioned proof.

Premise 1: Racism means wanting to inflict the maximum suffering on minorities feasible. The American justice system is racist.
Premise 2: Black-on-black crime and white-on-white is more common than black-on-white or vice versa.
Premise 3: Sending a criminal to jail precludes or severely inhibits them from committing crime.
Premise 4: The justice system gives black violent offenders stiffer sentences than white.
Premise 5: Multiple people being murdered or violently assaulted is worse than one going to jail.

Contention 1: The racist justice system will give lighter sentences to blacks who murder blacks than whites who murder whites so they may murder more blacks. (Premises 1, 2, 3, and 5)

Contention 1 stands at odds with Premise 4, therefore one premise in contention 1 or Premise 4 is false by contradiction. As premise 4 is allegedly empirically validated by Lum, one premise in contention 1 is false. Which, Lum?

American, not African American?

ASTA said
Completely irrelevant.Also, explain why first time minority offenders receive harsher sentences and fines than their white peers on average. Remember to cite your sources.

Trip post. Supposing I am the racist justice system, wouldn't I want minorities to suffer more? Since most violent crime is along racial lines, wouldn't I give minority gangbangers and wife beaters light sentences so they can go back to killing each other, but give white killers and abusers heavy sentences?

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ASTA said
I don't think a nation with a white racial majority (72 percent mind you) would vote for a black president simply because he's black. That isn't how humans work. Also, old people. But the opposition to gay marriage and racism abroad is quite literally dying out with the Baby Boomers.It's more like the Republicans lost the votes of the young, gays and women, as well as minorities. And they know this, which is why the GOP is currently turning itself inside out with all of the complete 180s that it's doing on various topics that it initially opposed.

Then why did Obama beat Clinton?

For a less controversial example, O.J's acquittal in spite of DNA.

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ASTA said
Completely irrelevant.Also, explain why first time minority offenders receive harsher sentences and fines than their white peers on average. Remember to cite your sources.

Going to need your source first.

Also, since you've established blacks commit more severe crimes on average per person than whites, make sure your source proves they get more harshly treates for the same crime with no previous criminal record

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Magic Magnum said
That doesn't at all address murders, more violent treatment or general hostility shown to first time offenders.

Woah, cops murder first time offenders? Going to need serious sources for that.

American, not African American?

Actually the sources show slightly more murder from blacks than whites, but whites more guilty of just about every other crime.
And considering the majority of such crimes are committed by white people, it is an odd contradiction that there are more black people who face severe punishment.

Because you do not recieve equally long sentences upon recidivism. They get far longer.

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