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That's why I said in the immediate aftermath of the war. Once basic survival was taken care of in the West Indies, a task requiring a year, tops, our intrepid British sailors had 14-24 years of nuclear fuel to sail around the world looking for useful things like HMS Victory, USS Texas, and records which prove the rightful reign of the king they crowned on the boat. The political stability, morale and legitimacy that a proven monarch would provide would be invaluable. To say nothing of the help he could provide in using royal prerogatives (essentially unlimited at this point, as all the apparatuses of administering statute law are gone) to restructure and adapt the West Indies government to its new, sovereign level.
In the course of my research on British political heritage, I've just learned from reputable and well-reasoned sources that today there are thousands of frankly ordinary blokes (to say nothing of the hundreds of unimportant nobles higher up) in the line of succession. Therefore, it is not only posssible, but probable that the Dominion found in its early years a legitimate king to exercise monarchial powers, to say nothing of any charlatans showing up with vellum proving descent from Sophia of Hannover.
Fleet of HMS Warriors?
For the practical aspects, I think if Liberty Prime, which never worked in the first place, could be activated by the BoS (with no industrial base), the Dominion could maintain a battleship, particularly by limiting the use. Perhaps they exert control over NS Mayport in Jacksonville to use ita facilities?
For the gameplay aspects, you're probably right. What would serve as a better replacement? I could do HMS Warrior. I want the sea/river equivalent of Vertibirds; high tech hard hitting fast moving vehicles, but can't really hold territory.
For the gameplay aspects, you're probably right. What would serve as a better replacement? I could do HMS Warrior. I want the sea/river equivalent of Vertibirds; high tech hard hitting fast moving vehicles, but can't really hold territory.
Nation: the Dominion of the British West Indies
Location: British West Indies as presently constituted, the Bahamas, Jamaica and Bermuda. Control established over coal mines in East Texas (the immediate area of them, not surrounding areas)
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History: During the Commonwealth-Middle East wars, the British rearmed the Royal Navy to a predominately nuclear surface fleet to obviate the need for fossil fuels.
During the European civil war, the British used this new and rearmed Royal Navy to forfend assaults by continental counterparts.
On 10/23/2077, ships of the Royal Navy's North Atlantic Fleet lost all contact with the homeland. These vessels plotted courses to the nearest responsive British territory, Bermuda, where they learned the ghastly truth about what had occurred. (OOC: As evidenced by Tenpenny crossing the Atlantic, it sucks being in England, moreso than in America.) Bermuda was quickly being irradiated, however, by winds from the continental US, so it behooved them to find a different place to make their way.
Ship's Meteorologist Lieutenant Burns correctly determined that the trade winds blowing from Africa, a place unlikely to have been bombed with nuclear weapons, would make the British West Indies, themselves unlikely to have been involved in violence given the main war's pacific axis and British guarantees in case of Latin American aggression, an ideal place to restart British civilization.
Of the 21 ships of the North Atlantic fleet, all 21 including railgun armed battleship HMS Vanguard decided to make their way to the British West Indies.
After several fruitless voyages back to the UK in 2078, King George VII and other members of the royal family were not able to be located, so the fifth son of King George VII, Prince Phillip of Wessex, a ship's lieutenant aboard a destroyer was crowned and coronated in the dining room aboard Vanguard as King Alfred II. The following ceremonial proclamation was read aboard each ship after the new king had appointed his new privy council.
"Whereas it has pleased Almighty God to call to His Mercy our late Sovereign Lord King George the Seventh of Blessed and Glorious memory, by whose presumed Decease the Crown is solely and rightfully come to the High and Mighty Prince Alfred Phillip Charles:
WE, therefore, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal of this Realm, being here assisted with these His Majesty's Privy Council, with other Principal Gentlemen of Quality, with the Lord High Admiral, Aldermen, and Sailors of His Royal Navy, do now hereby with one voice and Consent of Tongue and Heart publish and proclaim that the High and Mighty Prince Alfred Phillip Charles is now, by the death of our late Sovereign of happy memory, become King Alfred the Second, by the Grace of God King of this Realm and of all His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, to whom His lieges do acknowledge all Faith and constant Obedience with hearty and humble Affection, beseeching God by whom Kings and Queens do reign, to bless His Royal Highness Alfred the Second with long and happy Years to reign over us. The King is dead, Long Live the King!"
Over the next 20 years, British and the occasional Australian ships in various states of disrepair or damage would limp across the Atlantic in response to the West Indies' radio beacon into Bermuda's irradiated former US naval base, now just a staging area for fissile material expeditons. The ships would there be stripped for parts and Uranium to keep the aging Royal Navy afloat, and over time they built up quite a surplus to keep the navy going for years, even if considerably less efficiently.
Despite all this, 40 years later only 12 of the original ships (8 destroyers, 3 guided missile cruisers, and HMS Vanguard were operable. It behooved the Dominion to seek other alternatives before their ships finally rattled to pieces. They sailed the world over in a perilous voyage, collecting museum ships of older, simpler designs. Among their best finds were HMS Warrior and the Danish steam frigate Jylland, among several replica ships of the line, sloops, and frigates.
In true British form, they are prolific merchants, and operate their warships to protect their commerce from pirates. They trade up the Atlantic seaboard and the Mississippi.
Location: British West Indies as presently constituted, the Bahamas, Jamaica and Bermuda. Control established over coal mines in East Texas (the immediate area of them, not surrounding areas)
Icon:
History: During the Commonwealth-Middle East wars, the British rearmed the Royal Navy to a predominately nuclear surface fleet to obviate the need for fossil fuels.
During the European civil war, the British used this new and rearmed Royal Navy to forfend assaults by continental counterparts.
On 10/23/2077, ships of the Royal Navy's North Atlantic Fleet lost all contact with the homeland. These vessels plotted courses to the nearest responsive British territory, Bermuda, where they learned the ghastly truth about what had occurred. (OOC: As evidenced by Tenpenny crossing the Atlantic, it sucks being in England, moreso than in America.) Bermuda was quickly being irradiated, however, by winds from the continental US, so it behooved them to find a different place to make their way.
Ship's Meteorologist Lieutenant Burns correctly determined that the trade winds blowing from Africa, a place unlikely to have been bombed with nuclear weapons, would make the British West Indies, themselves unlikely to have been involved in violence given the main war's pacific axis and British guarantees in case of Latin American aggression, an ideal place to restart British civilization.
Of the 21 ships of the North Atlantic fleet, all 21 including railgun armed battleship HMS Vanguard decided to make their way to the British West Indies.
After several fruitless voyages back to the UK in 2078, King George VII and other members of the royal family were not able to be located, so the fifth son of King George VII, Prince Phillip of Wessex, a ship's lieutenant aboard a destroyer was crowned and coronated in the dining room aboard Vanguard as King Alfred II. The following ceremonial proclamation was read aboard each ship after the new king had appointed his new privy council.
"Whereas it has pleased Almighty God to call to His Mercy our late Sovereign Lord King George the Seventh of Blessed and Glorious memory, by whose presumed Decease the Crown is solely and rightfully come to the High and Mighty Prince Alfred Phillip Charles:
WE, therefore, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal of this Realm, being here assisted with these His Majesty's Privy Council, with other Principal Gentlemen of Quality, with the Lord High Admiral, Aldermen, and Sailors of His Royal Navy, do now hereby with one voice and Consent of Tongue and Heart publish and proclaim that the High and Mighty Prince Alfred Phillip Charles is now, by the death of our late Sovereign of happy memory, become King Alfred the Second, by the Grace of God King of this Realm and of all His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, to whom His lieges do acknowledge all Faith and constant Obedience with hearty and humble Affection, beseeching God by whom Kings and Queens do reign, to bless His Royal Highness Alfred the Second with long and happy Years to reign over us. The King is dead, Long Live the King!"
Over the next 20 years, British and the occasional Australian ships in various states of disrepair or damage would limp across the Atlantic in response to the West Indies' radio beacon into Bermuda's irradiated former US naval base, now just a staging area for fissile material expeditons. The ships would there be stripped for parts and Uranium to keep the aging Royal Navy afloat, and over time they built up quite a surplus to keep the navy going for years, even if considerably less efficiently.
Despite all this, 40 years later only 12 of the original ships (8 destroyers, 3 guided missile cruisers, and HMS Vanguard were operable. It behooved the Dominion to seek other alternatives before their ships finally rattled to pieces. They sailed the world over in a perilous voyage, collecting museum ships of older, simpler designs. Among their best finds were HMS Warrior and the Danish steam frigate Jylland, among several replica ships of the line, sloops, and frigates.
In true British form, they are prolific merchants, and operate their warships to protect their commerce from pirates. They trade up the Atlantic seaboard and the Mississippi.
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Mortalbean said
Britain did not enter the war of their own accord, they were allied with Belgium who was invaded by Germany. Britain couldn't afford to back out of the agreement as that would cripple their ability to secure allies in the future.Edit:Germany thought Britain wouldn't honor the treaty because Britain was already on sketchy terms with a lot of the big players in Europe and Germany thought that the British would give up on the treaty because they wouldn't want to fight a war.What Germany didn't realize was that Britain had done secret diplomacy with France and Russia over Egypt.Got school now...
Just like the US will back up the Phillippines and Japan.
Vilageidiotx said
And don't mistake movies for reality, my young friend. It's not a simple as big-bad-evil guys cackling on mountain tops, with their bottomless bank accounts and endless supply of lackies who don't need food or shelter. The real world is about economics first, especially when talking about geopolitics. The Soviet Union fell to our economy, not to our military, and that was at a time when they had virtually no financial connections beyond the iron curtain.
Suppose I grant the premise. Let's say the end of trade would annihilate both nations. So basically, functional nukes, with all the same theory involved. As evidenced by Korea, enormous conflicts between allies of nuclear states and nuclear states are still possible. Take the Kargil War
Or, like Korea. North Korea didn't care about Nukes.
You do realize that WW1 was entirely about Russia and had jack to do with France or Britain's politics? Germany was threatened by the Russians who were starting to develop their industry which when combined with their superior man power would have made them stronger than anyone else in Europe. This caused Germany to launch a pre-emptive offensive called the Schlieffen plan that involved a quick occupation of France by invading through neutral Belgium. This was done to avoid having to confront France and Russia at the same time on two fronts as the two had close ties at the time. Germany didn't realize that the invasion of neutral Belgium would drag Britain into the war
Britain didn't have to join. If the interdependency was a nuke like Village idiot says, then they wouldn't have.
Vilageidiotx said
Economic globalism is doing a better job at stopping Russia than the US military is. Did anybody ever think we were going to put boots in Crimea? Whatever game Putin is playing at, it was never the risk of conventional warfare that scared him, and he can't play too long at this game if he wants to keep the goodwill of his people. If he went too far, it would be an embargo of Russian oil, universal across the west, that would bring him down. War would just muddle things up and damage everybody involved. I'm sure the Ukraine has no interest in being completely burned away by such a conflict.Likewise, we wouldn't want to go to war with China. The economic repercussions would be severe in both countries. Severe enough, it is true, to most likely bring down the Chinese government. But it would also be severe enough that even the United States, if we are perfectly honest, would risk revolution. You triple the price of living and tell Americans that the Senkakus, or even Taiwan, is worth the bloodbath that would be a war against China. It isn't the cost of the military that would bring either of us to the brink - it is the cost of cutting off trade. That is the reality of the modern world. Militaries have some uses when dealing with entities that aren't part of the economic system, AKA rebels and terrorists (though this is debatable, since we have failed the largest of these operations time and time again), but in the post-cold war economy, where there is no alternative to the west's trade network, those countries with economies large enough to project power entirely owe their economic capacity to international trade, and their ability to function at an internal level can be completely destroyed.
A facile and idealistic argument. The certain prospect of the loss of nearly all international trade didn't stop Hitler. Germany and Britain were each other's biggest trading partner pre WW1
I wish we lived in the world where this was true, but I never mistake the world as I wish it to be with the world as it is.
It is percentage of the unemployed.
Economic globalism won't stop Russia from annexing half of Ukraine.
The fact is, the aggressor loves peace. He would rather take our goods without a struggle. What we have to do is convince him we have the resolve to respond. Having a giant military which is superior to his in every way convinces him not to provoke us, since a very lopsided war requires less resolve than a very close, contentious one. Already we're having difficulty proving to China that we have the resolve to do serious damage to them if they play too many games in the Senkakus, and you want to make sure they know we don't?
What I am saying is that, in the United States, we waste too much money on defense, and that it would be much more practical to spend that money domestically
Economic globalism won't stop Russia from annexing half of Ukraine.
The fact is, the aggressor loves peace. He would rather take our goods without a struggle. What we have to do is convince him we have the resolve to respond. Having a giant military which is superior to his in every way convinces him not to provoke us, since a very lopsided war requires less resolve than a very close, contentious one. Already we're having difficulty proving to China that we have the resolve to do serious damage to them if they play too many games in the Senkakus, and you want to make sure they know we don't?
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