So Boerd

Kaiserreich~Legacy of the Weltkrieg

Acknowledged Gowia, however I need to do some of my own research before I accept you

Suicide, Tragic or Selfish?

I will respond to the points raised in more detail when I have the time and inclination, but as far as I can tell, nobody contests suicide is only ever chosen based on personal concerns without regard to others, yes? That is selfish by definition, so we can settle that element of the discussion.

Suicide, Tragic or Selfish?

The point is, you have got to balance the competing interests. I can guarantee that whatever pain a person feels, barring extraordinary physical pain, most often not the case, is less than the pain to their family and therein proves the selfishness. I cannot speak to their pain with certainty, but I can say this with certainty, people who write notes and make it obvious they killed themselves are causing more pain than they need to. It is wanton. Instead, they should make it look like an accident. That way, nobody has to wonder if they drove the individual to do it

Suicide, Tragic or Selfish?

Magic Magnum said
This is rare but I agree with Turt.What's selfish is forcing people to stay alive who don't want to live just because you don't want to see them go.For an example some people may relate to more.Let's say you're in a relationship and your partner wants to end it but you don't.So you basically go "But I don't want you to go! I'll be sad/hurt without you!". Is this behaviour/reaction understandable? Yes, you care for the person and don't wish to let them go. But by pressuring them to be somewhere they don't want to is what is being selfish.

The argument here can be used to justify anything.

So you are telling me that if a husband or wife is tired of the kids they can just take their share of the money, hop on a plane to Cancun and the other partner is selfish for wanting the kids to have their mother/father and the absentee parent is not? Give me a break.

A New Age - Ancient Era NRP

Just waiting on Wernher.

Suicide, Tragic or Selfish?

Turtlicious said
This is an uber-bad opinion.

Should I expect evidence, an argument or even an explanation?

Suicide, Tragic or Selfish?

Thinking about it is effectively beyond your control. Doing is not, and doing makes you selfish.

Kaiserreich~Legacy of the Weltkrieg

All accepted.

A New Age - Ancient Era NRP

And if it gets to that point, ask the belligerents the tough questions

A New Age - Ancient Era NRP

HazmatMedic said
Our FatherWho art in heavenHallowed be thy nameHardly modern syntax, is it? I mean, I doubt that's what Jesus said, as he would have spoke Hebrew, so it's not like it's sacred. Why don't they update it? Or, even better, say it in Hebrew, or even Latin?

Jesus spoke Aramaic. At any rate, because of the connotations. It should reflect the importance and tradition, not to mention it is the most direct translation.