So Boerd

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Lol, we could make an SF faction for mutual defense against magic.

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I said A God, not the Christian god. Belief in A God, as non descript as the one whose existence was hypothetically proven by the hypothetical evidence.

It's a logical conclusion. Ninety nine times out of a hundred if I rob a bank and do nothing to escape I will be punished. There is plenty of evidence for this.

Show me. Just know I won't take anyone's word for it. I need to see it with my own eyes. That is the standard you have established.

Considering there is plenty of evidence for it, yes.

How do you know there is evidence?

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Do you believe in anthropogenic global warming? How about "If I rob a bank, I will be punished"? "If I go to this new job, they will pay me." All these things, which have MATERIAL consequences for believing them (For example, you must lose a proven source of income for the new job, and you only have the word of a handful of non-scientists to attest that they will pay you), you accept as fact on much sparser evidence. Why can't you accept a vague conclusion with no ramifications on your life on infinitely stronger evidence?

Because you're not rational. Your train of thought is not "There is no evidence, therefore I don't believe in God", it is, "I do not believe in God, therefore there is no evidence."

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Kho said
I think people would think that an impressive display of modern CGI technology. Quite nifty, but not sufficient. You must realise, Boerd, that miracles do not lead to belief and faith. It is a process which requires reflection and thought. Miracles help us along, but they are by no means a must.

Believe me, I am aware. I am using this to illustrate a point

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Boerd. I had a full review typed up and then my fucking computer crashed. I'm a bit miffed, but will re-review when I calm down.

Lol, that is fine. I can make do with a very short summary.

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Of course. Let me make up some possible evidence... In this hypothetical, suppose there was a hand which materialized out of air and wrote "I am God" on the nearest available surface to them at the same time all over the world. Some instances were videotaped, however they can't make the hand appear again. Is this sufficient?

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That was from zero. 10 Gs percendicular to the human spine is not incapacitating.

Cruising speed does not really exist, as when the ship is travelling from point A to point B it uses the Alcubierre drive, capable of travelling a lightyear in a day but is completely unable to recieve information from the outside world. When it uses thrusters, it is dogfighting and thus not cruising.

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Would you need to physically see the evidence, in person, or is their word sufficient?

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@So Boerd: The minimum amount of evidence that would be required for me to believe in God would be if there was physical evidence of his or her existence that could be verified by the scientific method. Seeing as how there is none, the claim has no evidence, and is thus tossed aside like elves and fairy god parents accordingly to my own belief system, which is belief only in the rational.

Be careful with your choice of words. You cannot say there is none, only that you haven't observed any.

Now, use the hypothetical I gave Gwazi. Every scientist goes up to you and says a God exists. Would you therefore believe?

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Edited sheet, could the acceptors review it? Also, added a picture.