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until all is accomplished

He accomplished all by saving our souls. The law still exists, not one letter has been changed, anyway. We just don't follow it because His apostles said it isn't necessary.

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Then why do you have the OT in the bible if it does not apply to you? Geez if you really think that, go talk to a fundamentalist... Or a Mormon!And since you never gave us any substantial evidence in the first place, we won a long long time ago.

No, if you refuse to provide evidence, then you have no possible superior claim to government, meaning religion and state are just as tolerable as atheism and state which you demonstrate is equally ddogmatic, therefore, I won the original purpose of the thread

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Brovo said
. And Christians still refer to the old testament to justify bigotry and hatred by the millions, like against homosexuals.If it helps you sleep better at night then sure, you can completely ignore the entirety of human history and evolution in favour of a book that tells you to kill people one minute and then talks about what kind of clothes you should wear the next.

Read the rest of the verse. He came not to abolish but fulfill. The law is fulfilled, and no longer applies. Read that chapter I cited.

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Because Hitler was most certainly not an atheist and nobody can confirm what Stalin or Mao felt about religion

Come off it. Your Pope, Richard Dawkins already admitted they all were. Ample evidence has been provided that actually disproves your falsifiable claims.

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The old testament doesn't apply to Christians, so stop the strawman already. See: Acts chapter 15. Council of Jerusalem.

I don't have any, and you doubt it, like a skeptic.

So, as I said before: Good... Good...

Since you have given up on evidence, I believe that means I won the argument.

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Wrong again. You've been told numerous times and numerous reasons why but as always you just repeat yourself. You aren't here to discuss anything you're just here to stuff your opinion down people's throats in a desperate attempt to reinforce your own silly fantasies of a black and white universe.

Seeing as I made a factual claim, simply stating that the murderers were atheist, I don't see why knowing why they did it in any way refutes that they were atheist.

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Gave you plenty. You're just ignoring all of them because lolfucklogic. Oh well.

No, you haven't. QUOTE to me where you posted an authoritative link with numbers.

Actually, morality has been around before most religions, like code of laws. In fact, there are plenty of sources of morality that are not religiously derived. You don't need a religious morality to tell you not to kill someone, for example.

You are right. However, if you were raised Catholic, and are a practicing Catholic in good standing with your church, I can safely say you have a Catholic inspired morality.

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the order of millions

Reading helps, Vortex.

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The Chinese government is atheist.

In the modern era, the vast majority of the first world is secular in government, that is, it has little to no religious influence whatsoever...

...And we're now actually pretty damned reasonable peaceful now that our leaders don't think they're talking to God.

They still use their religiously derived morality in decision-making. The only wholesale butchers in these days the order of millions have been atheists.

Still no source on that 1 billion number. Now who is being irrational? Magic, tell him that number is false because it has no evidence.

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At any rate, certainly in the modern era, having a leader whose morality was formed by a non-Islamic religion (No aspersions on Islam, just looking at the numbers and statistics) seems to be the best way to prevent ridiculous loss of life. There have been more religious national leaders, but the atheist leaders are disproportionately represented by factors of thousands in the number of people killed.