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Words of power will literally kill him if he tries to pull off anything large or extremely complicated. I can change how the ability works, I suppose. The way I think of it is like a summoning circle, but instead of, I dunno, summoning something as powerful as a magic servant from the depths of history he can use it to create simple objects by describing them. The paper is consumed in the construction and it will take matter from the area around it, I'll add that too. Rune magic exists in the Fate world, and this is honestly just rune magic that uses English (or whatever language our characters are ostensibly speaking) instead of ancient symbols in the case of the fireball spell. Easier, yes, maybe. Limited to paper instead of being able to just draw the symbol from a distance? Yes.

As for the name thing, he cannot just write a name like "Saber" down and get anything off of it. He has to write the full real name of the person in question, and he can't magically tell what it is–it has to be told to him. The information will appear on the sheet of paper where the name is written. His incantations are in the form of writing, which allows him to focus his efforts without quite as long a process as a long spell. It's a shortcut, but it also makes him dependent on the time and materials to write whatever it is he's trying to do down.

I will change Bloodcasting, I was unclear on that aspect of the system.
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Words of power will literally kill him if he tries to pull off anything large or extremely complicated. I can change how the ability works, I suppose. The way I think of it is like a summoning circle, but instead of, I dunno, summoning something as powerful as a magic servant from the depths of history he can use it to create simple objects by describing them. The paper is consumed in the construction and it will take matter from the area around it, I'll add that too.


That's closer to Alchemy than anything else, but it's not just alchemy because you need Structural Analysis and not just a word in order to create what you want. Also you need more than writing down a word; you'll need an aria, you'll need a magic circle, etc.

Rune magic exists in the Fate world, and this is honestly just rune magic that uses English (or whatever language our characters are ostensibly speaking) instead of ancient symbols in the case of the fireball spell. Easier, yes, maybe. Limited to paper instead of being able to just draw the symbol from a distance? Yes.


Oh. Yeah, that doesn't really work. Runes generate mystery because of their origin; in Nasuland, the giants of Scandinavia and whatnot invented the runes, they're originally a Phantasm Race demi-human deal. Modern day runes have inherited some of that mystery, such that passing prana through the symbols accesses that Magical Foundation. It's all about the Magical Foundation. Modern pleb English doesn't have a Magical Foundation, so that won't work.

That said, you can totally have runes. Rune that shoots a fireball and stuff. That's fine. For your swords, there are other ways you can get a sword, like hiding it inside pages or something a la Ciel; that fits your guy's theme pretty well anyway.

As for the name thing, he cannot just write a name like "Saber" down and get anything off of it. He has to write the full real name of the person in question, and he can't magically tell what it is–it has to be told to him. The information will appear on the sheet of paper where the name is written. His incantations are in the form of writing, which allows him to focus his efforts without quite as long a process as a long spell. It's a shortcut, but it also makes him dependent on the time and materials to write whatever it is he's trying to do down.


No, see, you're not getting it. You literally cannot do that. Doing that is like accessing the Akashic Record or something. You're reaching into the data of reality via the "name" as a means of access to view certain bits of information. That's beyond modern magecraft. Hell, it's beyond AoG magecraft. It's just not a thing, and even if it was, having him would mean he'd be way too busy getting chased by Alaya-tan or something to bother with a Grail War. Heck, he wouldn't even need the Grail to begin with, he has his own route to [ ] already.

There is no spell that can do what you're talking about. Want to read someone's mind? Sure, you can do that to get info on them. Suggestion to make them tell you stuff? Feel free. What you're doing though, as it is now, is tantamount to accessing the Akashic Record.
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It sounds like you are combining Alchemy with Runes to mimic (lack of a better word) other forms of magecraft. I like this. How about you use special ink to write the Runes? Like anything related to fire you use ink infused with ashes, or ink with sea salt for water. Could help cover the equivalent exchange, also infusing the ink with your own blood could add an extra kick. Or the blood of others. Or part of your servant, now there is something, especially if they are from the Age of Gods.
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It sounds like you are combining Alchemy with Runes to mimic (lack of a better word) other forms of magecraft. I like this. How about you use special ink to write the Runes? Like anything related to fire you use ink infused with ashes, or ink with sea salt for water. Could help cover the equivalent exchange, also infusing the ink with your own blood could add an extra kick. Or the blood of others. Or part of your servant, now there is something, especially if they are from the Age of Gods.


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What the runes are drawn in doesn't matter. You can gild it in gold, draw it with a finger in mud, paint it in dragon blood, or outline it with smoke from a poor-quality cigarette. It won't change what the rune does, because the magical foundation has been already contacted and the effect is made. You can't "alter" spells like that.
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Speaking of abilities my Assassin possesses 'Information Erasure'. I wanted to get people's opinions on this as I can understand how it would make posting awkward when Assassin is involved since you would all, save for the Caster, lose your recollection of the encounter and any information you might have gained.

If you guys think it should be changed I have plenty of less obtrusive options to fill in the gap.
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There any complaints/comments about my beserker on the previous page? there have been different levels of effecting with the mad enchancement, so i hope i did ok with it.
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What’s wrong with using the Runes to empower the paper, much like it is used to empower a body? Runes are like Magic Crests, so in turn you are giving the paper a pseudo Magic Crest. From that point, the paper is part of the materials for whatever alchemic procedure he is conducting, add the ink to the paper and there are more materials. Heck I think I just described a stamp, slap that on something and boom, you have fire or whatever the rune does. Add that to whatever spell you just wrote up and you can have a chain reaction. I'm aware it doesn't work like this, and that is taking some liberties, but hey, I think it can be interesting.

Leaving work rite now. I'll be back in a few hours.
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Shouldn't we just let twilight dragon decide on this whenever he or she is back?
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There any complaints/comments about my beserker on the previous page? there have been different levels of effecting with the mad enchancement, so i hope i did ok with it.


Mad Enhancement doesn't double STR, for one. It just ranks it up.

What’s wrong with using the Runes to empower the paper, much like it is used to empower a body? Runes are like Magic Crests, so in turn you are giving the paper a pseudo Magic Crest. From that point, the paper is part of the materials for whatever alchemic procedure he is conducting, add the ink to the paper and there are more materials. Heck I think I just described a stamp, slap that on something and boom, you have fire or whatever the rune does. Add that to whatever spell you just wrote up and you can have a chain reaction. I'm aware it doesn't work like this, and that is taking some liberties, but hey, I think it can be interesting.

Leaving work rite now. I'll be back in a few hours.


Nasuverse alchemy isn't like FMA alchemy or something. Either way, what he's talking about (creating stuff via altering matter) is possible, but for a modern magus it'll require prep, and lots of it. Runes don't really have a point in that. You can compound spells against one another though, like using a wind spell and then using a water spell to reach a synergistic effect; it just doesn't have much relevance to this.
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Mad Enhancement doesn't double STR, for one. It just ranks it up.


okies, fixed, thank you.
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Shouldn't we just let twilight dragon decide on this whenever he or she is back?


Oh yeah, absolutely. Like I said when I first posted a Nasu statement, the degree to which Nasuverse canon is taken here is 100% up to Dragon. I'm just saying what works in canon and what doesn't; if Dragon wants to allow things that wouldn't work in canon, it's their RP after all. Similarly, if they ask me to stop posting things like these because we're not abiding strictly by Nasu mechanics, then I'll gladly do so.
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@Hikou no Kokoro Okay. I was just asking just in case because usually if it becomes a debate it can turn into an argument and all hell breaks loose. At least with my experience anyway. <.<
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I had a long post response typed up, but it got lost in transit and my backup got corrupted (yay phone battery problems). I neither have the time (yay school) nor the energy to recreate it (yay sickness) so I'll just state that I'm reworking the profile. Will probably scrap most of it to be honest, and just start from scratch.

Was hoping to not have to do tremendous amounts of research to be able to participate in this since I don't have a large amount of time. Not terribly happy with Joren, though, so a rework might be a good thing.

That being said, if TwilightDragon says he's okay I'll probably go with him as he stands because my plague makes me lazy XD
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The master...is done. Though it is still slightly rough. I need some critique of the abilities, too much, too little, is Transmutation distinct enough from Reinforcement?

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Alchemy – A natural marriage of the arts of science and magecraft, Alchemy allows matter to be converted into different forms through the use of prana. It also theoretically can allow the conversion of matter into energy and energy into matter since both are intrinsically convertible. Matter to energy is a great deal easier to perform than energy to matter conversions. High level alchemist are also able to convert phenomena.


That's not really how Western Alchemy works. It's not really a blend with science, science+magecraft kills magecraft's mystery. Since you don't have spells that "apply" that though it's fine, I guess.

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FYI this is literally one of the most useless possible magecrafts you could have. Like, it's incredibly, incomprehensibly bad. The only people who can use it to where it's useful are the Ainsworths, to any other modern magus it's pointless. You can't really do anything of value with it.

Transmutation – The ability to manipulate the configuration and properties of an object or material at its most basic level, such as increasing or decreasing the durability or density of an object. As a chemistry student Louise has a very firm understanding of the principles that underlie and dictate the properties of materials and is naturally proficient in this arena of Alchemy. Louise’s Transmutation requires that the material to be ‘changed’ is physically present in reality and can be interacted with directly, along with certain preparative measures such as the appropriate magical circles. Unlike the aptly named ‘Reinforcement’ Transmutation takes longer to implement and is far less battle worthy as a result.


Yeah don't worry. Transmutation is completely different to Reinforcement. Transmutation's material altering, like Iri's birds. Reinforcement is enhancing something on a conceptual level.
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Why do you guys post so much. ;w;

I guess I have to choose a co-GM already. That way they can balance out OP or misused characters that I missed and keep track of this while I'm gone.
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I'd honestly suggest Hikou. Seems to know his stuff.

That being said, you need to establish a few policies before you give a set of reigns to another person no matter who they are XD Like... If we can actually do things that aren't explicitly done in canon or not.
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Why do you guys post so much. ;w;

I guess I have to choose a co-GM already. That way they can balance out OP or misused characters that I missed and keep track of this while I'm gone.


I'd honestly suggest Hikou. Seems to know his stuff.

That being said, you need to establish a few policies before you give a set of reigns to another person no matter who they are XD Like... If we can actually do things that aren't explicitly done in canon or not.


We'd have to start out by balancing our Co GM's character too if that does happen.
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FYI this is literally one of the most useless possible magecrafts you could have. Like, it's incredibly, incomprehensibly bad. The only people who can use it to where it's useful are the Ainsworths, to any other modern magus it's pointless. You can't really do anything of value with it.


Hehe, I know it's virtually useless in a practical sense, but still as a low level magecraft in the Alchemy branch it would be strange not to know it. I suppose I could/should come up with something else though.

That's not really how Western Alchemy works. It's not really a blend with science, science+magecraft kills magecraft's mystery. Since you don't have spells that "apply" that though it's fine, I guess.


Yeah, my bad, kind of messed myself up a little there. I'll change that.

Cheers for the critique.
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@TwilightDragon You never told me if you wanted me to get rid of two mystic codes or not for Charles.
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