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Green said
Then some guy with a magical anti-armor bazooka walks up to it and kills it dead with a few shots, because it can't dodge for shit. If you find a way around that, I'd agree that tanks could be viable.


I could use the same logic I've seen in this thread thus far (especially in regards with the notion of 'bullet dodging') and say that the tank simply dodges the rocket, or it could shoot down a slow-moving rocket with its hard-kill defense systems, nullify the round using its ERA (electrically-charged reactive armor), or it can simply hide from the round using its stealth systems (these technical attributes are actually all either present on current fourth generation MBT models, or have been retrofitted to existing third generation MBT models, or they've been planned for installation on future or current MBT models).

The tank then returns fire using its hit-scan weapon.

A successful attempt at dodging said attack will be met with claims of powerplaying, as you've deliberately placed your character in a dangerous situation for seemingly zero reason whatsoever and thus deserve to be incinerated on the spot.

Ok well, not incinerated, but damaged. We don't want auto-kills here.
That's assuming said tank is using a conventional main weapon and remains within the strict tactical parameters modern MBTs do.

Even today, the role of armor is changing, with tanks becoming smaller, lighter and more durable as compared to their WWII and early Cold War-era counterparts.

If I were to make a competitive high-tier tank, it would be the size of a tankette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankette), sport a turreted beam weapon, possess a plasma shield that can function as an alternative deterrent against melee users, and it would handle like a sports car (much like the M18 Hellcat and/or the Riptide All Terrain Vehicle). Add in some more defensive and offensive capabilities and you now have an armored vehicle worthy of the competition it's slated for.

If mechs (which are inferior war machines when compared to tanks) can remain competitive in a world of magical swordsmen and quasi-magical cyborgs, a small treaded vehicle can as well. Their weakness against attack helicopters and infantry huddled within buildings don't apply here, since the tank's capabilities would adhere to the tier system set by Skall and not arbitrary limitations set by the independent assumptions and beliefs held by other players.
Green said
Backdrop does not mean easily destructible. It means that it's not the focus of the fucking fight. If this was a side-scroller fighting game, the spaceships would be hanging out in the background, doing stuff, being an environmental hazard. You do see what I mean, don't you?Asta - I actually haven't seen Fury's CS yet, so I can't really make a comment there, but I can say that what people mean when they mention the sub tiers, is that Skallagrim's 'new-and-revolutionary' three-tier system, is basically just the old 10-tiered system without the 9 and 10. So we're basically going by something along the lines of Low; 0-2, Intermediate; 3-6, high; 7-8, and God; 9-10. Which is stupid, if you ask me, but hey. That's what that means, at least.


@Tiers: I seriously hope you're just joking and not actually serious.
That is a very odd ruling that can easily be hand-waved away just by slapping thrusters and vector-correcting jets on a powerful vehicle. Boom, ship.

Though, that's just me opening up new avenues for debate to take place. My last paragraph of my previous post still stands, however.

@Green It's mostly low-key stuff that you don't notice right up front. I point primarily to Melon and Khan's habit of putting Fury (or whatever he is) on a golden pedestal every two or three pages, as well as the odd talk of 'sub-tiers' (like how General Freedom is supposedly a high-tier character, yet is flagged as intermediate) that I keep seeing appear out of nowhere every so often.

Then there's LeeRoy's certainty on how his giant Ent can effortlessly steamroll my NotZoid.

It's hilarious.
You could argue that the addition of vehicles and spacecraft into the MV is a valid attempt at sticking with the character-driven trait this roleplay and many of its participants 'supposedly' revere with a zealot-like vehemence...

Actually, let me change that, because it makes no sense given what I'm trying to get at. I meant 'story-driven trait'. Simply doing cool shit and coming up with engaging character-interaction is the rule of the day. A character-driven roleplay is a given.

But alas, we'll just further regress into the now-commonplace bullshit that is GM-ignored powerplaying, player-defended powerplaying, metagaming, excessive dick-waving and trash-talking, and about several individuals (well technically, it might just be one) vying for a worthwhile GM position.
MelonHead said
No, that's just you because you're a shit stirrer and little else.


I love the way you talk.
MelonHead said
I'm obviously a lot more polite than you.


My sides.

On the topic of vehicles, Beowulf of Trinity isn't piloted by a person, but is merely a heavily-armed and armored synthetic creature. He retains the capacity to make decisions, can exercise acute control over his environment, and can engage in lengthy and complex sessions of conversation with other beings of like-minded intelligence.

Also, this isn't just based on speculation, I had a conversation about it with LeeRoy on skype a while back. I asked him about the ship thing sheerly out of curiousity. Honestly, I think you don't get an explanation because he's tired of hearing you whine about it, which is what it appears you are doing.


I notice that whenever someone in this thread performs an epic fuck-up of monumental scale, and then attracts the animosity of one or more people, the defending party immediately flags the aggressors as whiners and quickly retires from the argument. This would be a sound tactic if the aggressors didn't have legitimate points...

But, well---yeah.
No matter how long I wait, this never opens lol.
MelonHead said
Everything else you've said has been completely wrong, but yes, you're entitled to one bitch-slap to the face -before- you're completely killed.


0/10
TheBiddz said
That was a colossal waste of everyone's time.


I don't see how that's possible given the ordeal was between two people and not 'everyone'.
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