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ASTA said
Honestly from how you've described it, this hivemind sounds like a watered-down synthetic collective intelligence.Also, I'm not denying the power of the human brain, but I'm not going to worship it either. Unfortunately, the limits of an organic construct are more strict than the limits of a synthetic construct. This is why you have trucks possessing the physical power of hundreds of horses, for example.


The term synthetic is already being used by duck to represent war machines made through genetic engineering combined with cybernetics.
These are distinct from the parasitic L'Er, so although technically the term Synthetic is correct in both definitions (The forms are indeed artificial and they are generally combinations of seperate components) I am avoiding the use of the term. Organic compound is likely the easiest way to describe the majority of organisms as the Synthetic meaning in terms of combination comes into play when interwoven with technology, such a vehicles and computers.

The limits of an organic construct are indeed stricter, but I'm not proposing the replacement of all mechanical devices with organic ones... I'm flying a mechanical spaceship (granted, one that has been intertwined with and overgrown by the hives biomass compounds). The replacement of all mechanical devices with organic ones would be ludicrous, one might go so far as to say suicidal.
ASTA said
FTL and weaponized particle accelerators, yet organic technology is still magically superior to machinery.


Its sort of a bio-mechanical design, the technology is altered to be connected to the biological design of the hive (noting the hive can construct whatever nerve pattern or biological form it needs to given enough resources) thus allowing them to quickly access the functions of the technology at a moments notice from the mind. Its cutting out the middle man, instead of having someone waiting to press the button, the mind just sends the signal. This sort of technological usage reflects their nature, while they could make their own technology they far prefer to leech off of others achievements and add it to the hive

If you can build a gigantic brain and leech off the brain power of infected individuals, then I dare say that in that respect organic tech would be better. In terms of trying to make an ftl drive or gun, obviously organic technology isn't too enticing at all, nor would an organic construct be superior for transport compared to a car. What organic tech would be useful for in the case of a car would be if you grew a being within the workings of the car and changed the cars design to suit this, you could build a car that is controlled by the hive.

Edit: Considering the tribunal hives alone have slaved worlds to their will and all the inhabitants of these worlds, and built massive brains to act as central units I think the Hives as a collective entity might very well outstrip the advanced computer network in processing power and creativity. As well as being able to set themselves up a vast computer network of their own to handle this input with all that stolen technological knowhow.
Outpost A-5

Not such a bountiful harvest

There is what appears to be a small groan from the ship, and there is an squishy sound as a strange organic door, made of seven segments, opens up, curling side ways to allow entry into the ship. Interestingly, there is no escape of air from inside the ship, implying it was already depressurised. The green mist inside hangs around regardless, some leaking out into nearby space. A single creature slowly draws out and onto the side of the ship, clinging on by its tentacle arm. It appears humanoid in shape, in its other hand rests a welding tool of sorts, the tip glowing green betraying its ready state. Hanging from its flesh are several bulbous sacks, one of which appears to be torn and empty. It twists its head sharply toward the small drone, and speaks slowly in its alien tongue.
"What is this we see before us, an angel of metal but of death or life... Time shall tell us, make us. We are damaged, the rocks of voids set upon our barren fleets from Ark, where the rain has long since settled and the scenes are washed away. Name your mind, shell, for we deal with the master not the slave"
duck55223 said
By Processor Type I meant Processor Architecture. No point in hacking if the processor of the computer your hacking can't run anything of yours.And bruteforce attacks are actually still painfully tedious, even with ridiculous amounts of power behind them. Encryption methods and technology evolve just as fast as processor technology does, and it is possible, and has been done, to make unbreakable encryptions.And its not a issue of translations, its the issue of you being able to break into one of my most secure networks without lifting a finger.


Ah, I thought you meant different makes of processor, I was sitting their scratching my head lol

True enough, but we aren't talking an upgrade in technology here, not some upgrade of processors. This is a being which can upgrade its intelligence by building a new brain, by absorbing individuals into it. To date, no computer has outdone the human mind. The power of the mind is insane, if one could connect even a handful of brains together and operate them, they could put the power of computers to shame... And we're not even talking about superior intelligence in aliens or constructs. I do believe unbreakable encryptions are generally "unbreakable" in the terms that it is unfeasible for us to bother due to complexity and time, not that they are literally unbreakable... And if you were able to acquire the key, say the one inside your computers being used to decode the messages, then it would be solved instantly. I would like to point out an autistic guy from the UK broke into the pentagons top secret files searching for UFO evidence... These files were heavily encrypted and he was using a desktop computer.

Technically speaking, its possible that none of this matters as the collective intelligence outstrips the computers, we probably have the problem with a brute force attack that both our systems might crash from the massive amount of data that such a powerful collective intelligence would be trying to force through, only for it to resume when the systems are rebooted, subsequently crashing our systems again. It could very well become an annoying situation for all involved, until one of the systems inevitably gets completely toasted and has to be replaced
duck55223 said
Decyrption isnt brute force with lots of computer power, its a very tedious process that can takes months. And this is only further problematic by the fact that the two nations are most likely using entirely different operating systems, programming, and processor type and such. At that point its near impossible to decrypt it.


Decryption is simply deciphering a code. As with any code, if you have a system that it able to do so at a fast enough speed, it may be entirely feasible to brute force the code. If you have enough computer power, a brute force attack might be the more logical method than, as you say, undergoing a tedious task.

Also, if you would care to look at the tedious task, you would see it is tedious because of the amount of thought that has to go into it. If you have a being that can think quicker, run the tests quicker etc you will reach the conclusion quicker. A tedious task is less tedious if the beings involved could combine their processing power and share all thoughts instantly. More brain = more power = faster results.

Also, its not. Impossible or unfeasible. If one was able to translate the language (Computer encryption is generally done in binary. It might be harder to translate the language than to break the encryption, all things considered)

As for the processor type thing, I don't really understand where you are coming from. Jim the hacker down the street might have a different processor to me, that doesn't stop him from being able to hack my computer. Neither would him using a Mac and me using Windows... Which both have different programming. Which again has a lot of binary and numbers involved, and numbers are universal in value and thus meaning.

Edit: Also, isn't this conversation entirely pointless as we are discussing whether I could translate the words "Eternal Mother" and "High Command" in order to have the tribunal jab at the beliefs and make incredibly bad jokes? The important part is the knowledge of location, which doesn't need me to crack the encryption anyway...
Very well. I still have the location of your signal

Now, additionally I am playing a hive mind linking many 'mind' forms, but also countless infected sentients across the hives, its entirely possible that the hives have a collective computing power in excess of your nations entire computer network and organic intelligence combined. I wouldn't put decryption of any level past such a formidable entity should it have access to a computer network, and indeed given the manner in which it intertwines biology and technology, it may well be terrifyingly quick.

Hm. I may need to reevaluate some of my strategies given that. It might not be entirely fitting to rely so heavily on brute force.
You never mentioned that for a start, so that's your problem (Things people assume: Your ships have ftl, your ships have shields. Thongs people don't assume: Your messages that have been sent in plain English are going to be heavily encrypted so nobody could break the cipher and read them)
Regardless, I don't need to break into your network, I just need to have detected a signal.
Changed my post

I figure outpost A-5 may be very tast- I meant interesting for first contact...
And so it begins on another world...
"I have spoken with God, and he has abandoned us"

Midnight, the only sound was the wind blowing through the elder tree's. Salokin sat on his chair by the window, puffing his pipe and blowing smoke through his furry nose.
This small collection of houses about 10 miles north of Turis had long since served as a retirement village for the aging, Salokin had moved here after his 70th year just three years ago, but he had felt old since long before that.
It was the 38th annbersay of the crash... No father should have to bury his child. He let out a longer puff, staring up at the white light of Serkona, the moon. (Daddy, I'm going to be an astronaught!)
He squinted and leant forwards. Was the moon... Shrinking? Something was moving in front of it, slowly but surely. It was too large to be an aerocraft and was certainly not a cloud. The silence was pierced by a loud, screeching noise as the black blob grew bigger and bigger, and began to take shape.
There was a deafening roar, then loud crash, as it smashed into the road and tossed the pavement into the air. He watched in shock as a huge chunk of concrete flew through the air and collided into the house across the street, crushing it into the ground.
"The Zapolos..." He whispered in disbelief. They had so much energy in them still, despite being 74 and 77. He turned away from the window and dashed to the door as fast as his elderly legs would carry him, rushing into the street.
The telephone wires had been brought down along with the Zapolo's house, but he suspected the people in Turis had likely seen the crashing...
He stared at it. What the Fal? It looked like something out of the pictures his daughter had used to watch with him at night. Impossible, those shows were just fiction, as the name implied.
And yet here it was, sitting in the middle of a quant little retirement village, a real Stellarcraft. Something was wrong with it though, it seemed to have been overgrown by some strange type of flesh, bulbous sacks of it hanging out of it.
Others had slowly filed out into the streets, even old Hagga with her cane had made her way into the streets, muttering something about how those "Damned kids should get an appointment with Fal", before stopping short and gasping in disbelief at the hulk in front of her.
There was a small hiss from the stellarship as I cracked open, Salokin held his breath as the ramp fell down near his feet. Slowly, something began to stumble out of the green mist. Salokin took an involuntary step back as it revealed itself.
There were screams and several people began to flee from the creature... Small sacks hung from its flesh, and something seemed to be stirring within them. Its skin was a sandish colour and it almost appeared to be undead. It's left arm ended in some kind of tentacle appendage and its head seemed contorted at an unnatural angle, though it sharply twisted it with a sickening crunch and surveyed the crowd.
Behind it came several more of these weird shapes, and it became apparent they weren't a single species at all, but instead three... Yet all were covered in the same yellowish flesh.
They darted forwards quickly, the first jumping into the air at what Salokin would have suspected to be an impossible height and landing next to Hagga. It grabbed her with its tentacles, wrapping them around her neck. She cursed it and swung her cane at its head, but the tentacles just tightened around her neck until she dropped her cane and twitched.
Salokin turned to turn, but one landed in front of him and hit him to the floor in a single swipe. He felt a sharp and sudden pain the moment it connected, and heard two of his ribs crack. He screamed for mercy as it stood over him, able to kill him with but a single blow if it wanted to do so. He gasped in shock as it turned and jumped away from him. Had it shown mercy...?

He felt something crawling up his leg and looked down in shock. A strange, yellowish creature barely the side of its fist was scrambling its way at an insane speed up his leg. No sooner had he registered it than it was on his chest, and he felt a sudden spike of pain as it bit a small hole in his chest. He convulsed in pain, then watched in horror as the creature somehow squeezed through the small gap it had made.

His cries of torment filled the air, breaking the silence. Other voices joined him, a chorus of torment, the old had been cast down to die in starlit blood pools on the ground...

The following morning

"Av L' Veidu, L Ve Fal"

Daylight, the dead arise, tree's are stripped and Turis cleansed.
Millions had died over the past six hours, and several other such star craft had hit else where in the world. The government responses had done little, soldiers fell almost as easily as the civilians had. Nothing seemed to stop the spread of the parasite. It killed, and killed, and killed, gathering up its stores of biomass.

Space

"Come and burn with us"

More star ships flew out from the infected world, dropping into hyper space. Motivated by hunger, of course, and the hives had detected an interesting amount of traffic on the worlds admittedly out dated sensors ("Note to Ourselves, must find more such knowledge")

The Eternal Mother... How very religious
Religion, what an odd business...
Let us bring them into the tranquillity they must so desire
They say high command, we must show them higher command
Yes, it is time to feast. We can taste them already, can't we? So juicy sweet...
Maybe they can upgrade these sensors...
Which part of us shall feast?
It is within S'Ark influence, we must tell ourselves S'Ark to act.

Eternal Union Outpost A-5

"For forty days and forty nights it rained"

The strange vessel arrived in system, drifting forwards. Its form was over grown with an odd brownish material, and several tentacles seemed to float freely in the black of space. The weird ship held its position a short distance from the station. The ship seemed very damaged, one might suggest it looked at though it shouldn't be functioning at all. It transmitted the ships distress signal, and given its apparent structural damage one could be forgiven for mistaking it as having been attacked by another ship
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