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duck55223 said
No There could be differences between the two republics, but having more then one hive mind is bleh.

I would argue republics could have more in common than two separate hive minds. Indeed, if we consider a hive mind to simply be a mind and the organisms it controls to be it's body then any two hive minds could essentially be as different as two humans

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duck55223 said
"We will be there soon." said a Iscandarian that was nearby and overwatching the shuttle. He wore a military uniform, however he only had a sidearm at his side, and was carefully observing everything. The shuttle paused, as they docked at a small station. Stepping outside revealed the Palace. The structure was grand and glorious, maybe of a pure white shining marble. The Palace was set into a mountain, overlooking the capital of Alas Prime. The Highest tower had the symbol of a star on it, indicating of some great purpose. Beautiful garden were also everywhere, a large variety of flowers in constant bloom. When they were lead inside the halls of the palace were decorated in banners with stars on them, and various pieces of art from throughout the Eternal Union's history.Two guards, clad in armor, stood outside a grand door. The guards approached the diplomats."The Immortals will see you now." said one of the guards, opening the door for the diplomats.While the host and its worm moved towards the habitation areas, as a BCU ship arrived near the drone bay. The BCU stood for the Bio-Containment Unit, the Eternal Union's disease control office. As they opened up the drone, seeing that whatever was in it is now gone, they took the drone aboard and immediately ordered the command center to quarantine the Outpost, suspecting that whatever it was might have gotten on. A siren began beeping amongst the station."All non-security personnel are to proceed to habitation suites, all security-personnel are to proceed to the armory and gather quarantine gear. This station is now under a BCU-Authorized quarantine." spoke a loud robotic voice."We feel that the peace treaty should be hosted on the planet you refer to as Earth, or one of her satellites. We will let you choose the location from there."

Planet N-1

Their goals achieved and the escape covered, the remaining ships jumped out of system, the plasma ship bearing a few hits before vanishing.

To say it was a profitable raid would be to put it lightly, even if they didn't destroy the enemy war ship, they had certainly put dents into it.

Outpost A-5

Realising its discovery, the organism in the drone awakened. Its organic compound, threaded throughout the machinery, came to life and detonated the Balefires the drone was carrying, in addition to self destructing, annihilating the drone hanger.

Outpost A-5, Interior

The power died suddenly, plunging the outpost into darkness and giving it quite the claustrophobic atmosphere. Habitation suites suddenly came alive with yelling and shock, before many were promptly over run by a contingent of the L'Er. It became obvious quickly that several decks already belonged utterly to the parasite, who was determined to protect them against all odds...
They worked most zealously near the center of this area, where several circuits interlocked, and they were ferrying biomass there for usage.

The L'Er used some of their forces to lay a trap outside of the armoury, lying in wait for their would be victims. It had been decided that if they could take the armoury, they would be able to take the station. It was crucial that they ambushed and killed as many security units as possible here and now, and as such it was imperative to wait out of sight for the perfect moment...

The L'Er, having managed to disable much non-essential power, worked on attempting to shut down that of the essential systems: Success would kill life support for certain, and while the command center had no access to the blast doors, it was still troublesome to the L'Er that they had access to communications. It was apparent that the command centers communication with the BCU would need to be eliminated in order to prevent the BCU from coordinating with the Command and to prevent them from giving advice.

Message... Of sorts

A deep, commanding voice filled the heads of the BCU ship crew
"We offer you salvation from your forerunners sins, that like maggots infest you rotting heart. Renounce what made you!"

Fleet movements:
Appropriate
forces are quickly being gathered together so the L'Er can act on the new data they have obtained from the minds of the infected

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ASTA said
You never really set any concrete values for the argument, unless you're talking about the thick armor/no shield bit that was said a while ago. But I've already addressed that. I 'changed' them because I interpreted your query as you exclusively asking me of my own factions' likely response to beam weapons and energy shields.

I mentioned the points then said "If you were said nation" xD

Anyways, on request of Fox, I think its best we end this

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ASTA said
No. I don't see any particular reason why the vul'kruun would fear vessels equipped with beam armaments and protective energy barriers. Provided the vul'kruun's tactics are sound and they secure (and maintain) a numerical advantage, they'll destroy those vessels without suffering crippling loses. If a faction equipped with beam weapons and energy shields encountered, say, modern Earth, then yes you could probably extort them (for it would be akin to the modern US Army engaging in combat against a land force from the 1100s), but other space-faring nations are either going to scoff at you and obliterate you with impunity or they're going to put up such a fierce resistance that trying to assimilate them teeters dangerously on the edge of pointlessness.That was sarcasm. 1) I never said a beam weapon equated to a missile. 2) Any nation is going to have access to plasma windows and electromagnetic fields unless you're trying to invade WWII-era nations that have just invented the atomic bomb. And if you're invading such low-tech civilizations, I don't understand why you're using antimatter weapons or energy shields to intimidate them into submission in the first place. Just threaten them with a small asteroid. Or a slightly bigger nuclear weapon. Or a starship equipped with some dense pieces of space junk that you can fling at the planet's surface. Or, you could use AM weaponry to get the job done because Rule of Cool, which is OK.

My point was if you were in position of the nation which lacked the numerical advantage and what you mentioned and all the space ships of a major hive turned up on your door step, not your current nation specifically. Its a bit disingenuous to replace the values of an argument simply to render that argument null, especially when its stated that these values are set for this argument.

Also, I don't think any forced assimilation action will ever be pointless. I generally stand to gain a lot more than I could ever lose. Even if a large swath of my invasion force is destroyed, they may be able to be recycled, along with every last organism and plant on the planet. If I win, my losses generally become negligible, its only when I lose that I truly lose something, though generally I will have acquired something to offset some of the loss.

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Kyelin said
I'm surprised no one has mentioned much of evading missiles or beam weapons, rather than intercept or absorb the damage. Ships don't have to move straight ahead in space, not even the capitals. You could just strafe to avoid weapons that don't travel at light speeds, or sub light. Though I am not even going to claim I am an expert in any of this stuff, just think the argument is interesting and silently lurking instead of posting o.o.

True enough. Not being in the way is 100% effective for avoiding damage. (Well 99% effective at least)

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ASTA said
You need shields to intercept missiles.

Complete misrepresentation of what's said, I've never claimed that or stated I would be using missiles as the delivery system

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AlienBastard said
What stops someone of low tech from intercepting the missile regardless of the payload?

That I was not initially talking primarily about missiles xD

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ASTA said
Asking one or two questions about antimatter does not constitute me questioning every single little thing in the roleplay. The problem I have with you and Darkwolf is that you both seem to have this habit of trying to pass off certain types of offensive and defensive systems and tactics as being considerably effective than what they actually are in reality. Don't blame me for finding gaps and chasms in your logic; I'm not the one using famous (and rather bland) science fiction tropes and misconceptions as viable sources for my reasoning. Tropes are great and useful, but seriously. You need to stop.I understand this roleplay has ponies and magic or whatever gets you hard at night, so it isn't exactly on the side of roleplaying, but I'm not going to suddenly register your weapons as being unstoppable when they clearly aren't. Also, plasma can be defeated by electromagnetic fields. Or ablative armor. Or a combination of both.You're once again wanking certain technologies off. Just like in VotS I. Stop that. And no, you don't need standard sci-fi shields to withstand AM or plasma attacks. Supposed 'low tier' nations aren't going to grovel at the feet of an AM user unless said AM user has gained total and incontestable space superiority.

Several dozen to 100 ships without shields vs hundreds at the least, an unknown number of which with a beam which will strip apart their ships? I'd be pretty terrified if I was said nation and that turned up on my door step, wouldnt you?

Also, let me clear some thing up here

Beam =/= Missile
Forcing a nation to make a change which will likely require them to play for time =/= Unstoppable weapons
Function of anti-matter. =/= Representing it as considerably more effective than it is
Lack of shields =/= Shields (you cant cite a counter measure to something if I've pointed out who I'm trying to use it on currently isn't operating such. People (usually) cant go hey presto and have a new component on all their ships)

Also, given the fact I am looking to obtain anti-matter weapons and not just try my plan with plasma weapons, isn't that me acknowledging that they are both easier to stop and less effective?

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Sukui said

HM... I sense a potential ally...

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ASTA said
Why would antimatter weapons render a specific nation's shipbuilding approach less effective?@Alien When I get around to my next post, I'll throw something your way.

Some nations do not have shielding, preferring thicker armour or simply because they don't have shields yet. As such, there ships will be designed with this in mind, more armour plating to compensate. The effectiveness of this is limited to whether the opposition can strip your armour away quickly... Anti-matter and plasma would likely play well into this. Thus, if you possess such weapons, especially anti-matter, the logical conclusion is that the oppositions ships and their designs would require reworking or at the very least refitting.