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Zombehs said
Not really, given magic is so broad and diverse nowadays. And even then, "using your soul to project your will onto the fabric of reality" doesn't clash with magic powered "tech" in any fashion.


You mean magitech? Because that's actually just magitech.
Zombehs said
And there's literally no reason a Bolter couldn't work through magical means.


Yeah, but then you're using magic, and not science.
Zombehs said
No, not really. You can achieve the same ends with magic that you could with science for the most part. The way it gets done is just different.Science achieving what magic can on the other hand is more wonky, and can stray into the applied phlebotinum area really quickly though.


No, magic tends to be super metaphysical, and is generally something along the lines of "using the power of your soul to project your will onto the fabric of reality".
When you use artifacts to power machinery, that's magitech, which is a whole other kettle of fish.
Raineh Daze said
Remind me what about psychic space elves and emotion-fuelled gods is scientific.


Not that part specifically (though it does prove my point that magic isn't the same as science). But a lot of the Imperium's and especially the IG's equipment is laser guns, space ships, and genetic enhancements.
You can actually get relatively detailed specifications for how a Bolter works; it's got a similar principal to Gyrojet.
Zombehs said
Advanced magic and advanced science are basically indistinguishable from one another. It's just the explanation that makes them different.How does that power suit work? Science answer: "Oh it has a fusion reactor." Magic Answer: "Oh it has a powerful magical core."How does that plasma rifle work. "Oh it has a plasma cell that holds inert ammunition before its primed and fired." "Oh it's enchanted with a high-class flame spell that requires an external source of mana to activate. Which is supplied by its "battery" packs."How is Kuro so strong? "Nanomachines. And copious genetic/bio-engineering." "He's an oni."Seriously.


Actually that's a misinterpretation of the quote "Sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic." It does not mean that magic is science. Magic has to do with the arcane and regularly breaks the established laws of nature, usually the law of conservation of mass/energy. Science is fact. Hard sci-fi is based in fact, and generally entails technology we expect to be available in the next one or two centuries (see Cowboy Bebop). Soft sci-fi is further on, but still has some sort of scientific explanation (see WH40k.)
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Raineh Daze said
By implication, you're stating that it makes no sense to not have advanced tech when there's advanced magic. Despite these two things stemming from totally different in-world sources, and the existence of one generally the existence of the other. There's a lot more examples of advanced tech with no magic and magic with no tech than there is merging them. Plus, even when you have limited magical abilities--so not able to supplant or remove technological progress--there's no reason for technology to move faster to the point of getting power armour by the modern day. If anything, it would slow it because of the scientists trying to make sense of magic.


Yeah, but exosuits are really cool.
Raineh Daze said
Your opinion is stupid. Magic does not mean advanced technology; advanced technology does not mean magic. Shockingly, it's normally one or the other.Trying to think of an idea aside from mind-reading therapist.


He's not saying one equates to the other, just that somebody already applied with a crazy high tech weapon already without much problem.
Also it's not always one or the other. Shadowrun, for example, is pretty popular and combines both magic and high tech stuff.
Tachi said
You mean the weapon belonging to a character that we didn't get around to actually giving feedback on because the player left?


You're back! I was talking stuff over with the co-GM while you were gone.
In short, interaction with other players is a player issue, not a character issue. Playing a stoic character doesn't necessarily entail avoiding talking to other people, so much as it determines the way he interacts. Not to mention I meant to paint him as more of a hothead learning to control his temper in the first place.
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