Innue

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

We can discuss how it worked, and history, in the chat thread and let these two sort out what precisely is being prepped and how they wish for me to enforce it. :)

Based on the discussion between them a determination of whether or not it stays ranked can follow. And honestly, there still seems some confusion from Dazsos in the application of preps in Eden Era. You two can outline which spell are currently in process for me and, for Dazsos, which ones are being prepped. Maturation of an ability isn't necessarily a prep either.

Many of the ranked fights don't go into great detail on the specifics and leave much to the judge to apply the rulings. They asked me to judge prior to the fight starting via PM so I assumed they had decided anything not specifically outlined would be left to my judgment. This isn't uncommon on here for a number of the fights which don't specifically outline any of the rulesets being used or any more detail than what they did.

They both read each others bios, so I assumed they were aware of any vagueness and were fine with it. Some people like to fight with high adaptability and who am I to stop them?

EDIT: It all depended on who you fought Divinity, which is also why I don't go with assuming rules anywhere ever. I did a lot of room wandering. I initially started with T2 since that is what my friend who got me started did but I was like the worst speed poster ever. I then switch to T1 and wandered rooms a fair amount. The only consistent group I did was one of the super competitive deathmatch circles (which I don't recall anything else name wise) and one of the groups with a fellow named Val (I could never spell the entirety of his name correctly so I shortened it and have since forgotten the remaining letters in it) who did a lot with characters that applied aspects of the Many Worlds Intepretation.

It's been many years since I did Yahoo and many of who had notoriety at the time shifted a bit. I do remember those names, but I don't think I specifically fought either of them. I promptly got my ass kicked in my first combat there and sort of learned to restrain myself after that knowing I had to learn a lot more before I continued. I transitioned out of Yahoo in the mid 2000s and went exclusively to forum for roleplaying and only popped in occasionally after that.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

They need to sort it out.

1. Until that is stated officially on the Rank Headquarters, that cannot be applied.

2. No ruling was made using specifically that basis. I'm the official judge.

3. It provides no advantage to Dazsos since it would also equally apply to Corban who would also potentially be capable of doing this, especially if I correctly recall his sword being sentient (in conjunction with other things).

It is not a fallacy that many of the higher tiers in the late mid to late 90s allowed exceptions to the singular prep. Those that participated in the competitive deathmatches (the ones where if you lost you were not supposed to use that character again anywhere or get shunned), often understood this even under the application of the original rules (many of those participating were people that had helped develop the original rules in various fashions). Again, you may not have seen this due to a different experience, but I have, and frequently.

@Dazsos You still aren't describing preps though really as applied to Eden Era. As Divinity correctly said those are still just quick casted spells. Preps are very specifically spells/abilities that you intentionally spend extra time powering them up. Even just inscribing a rune and leaving it in wait isn't necessarily a prep either. You actively have to be giving it increasing power and it is usually used to logically expand the bounds of what the spell normally behaves at without it.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

Your first post about it was definitely phrased an absolute Divinity, but you probably didn't intend it that way and probably intended more nuance.

You two need to establish the terms before this continues, but I'm glad we were able to clarify our agreement that after many posts of discussion that it is not an absolute rule and that it is dependent on the characters. As such, what determination needs to be made is whether or not these characters fall into that exception, and if so, by how much.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

I have fought many places that used the Eden ruleset, spanning from Yahoo Chat, to Roleplaygateway, and I specifically recall a single prep a turn being the accepted norm.

I am not arguing that dazsos' actions are multi-prepped anymore, as I have said already. I am arguing allowing multiple preps being allowed for the rest of the matches duration in a single post.

I figured it was safe to adopt the standard ruleset here, since in my experience default ruleset are there specifically for scenarios like these, in which the combatants have agreed upon no specific ruleset prior. I thought that would hold up here, rather than assuming the fight starts with literally no rules.

@Divinity

Accepted norms are not applicable in every case.

Yahoo chat is where I originated and at higher tier combat there were obvious exceptions to the multiple preps rule as application is highly dependent on the characters involved, especially when you get into characters with fully developed reality shaping abilities or even characters in tiers lower than that power with multiple consciousnesses (or something similar). This is why I am saying you are wrong on that front. You both may choose to consider how much you potentially fall into this category, if at all.

You two have to agree how you want me to apply them and I suggest you outline anything else before either of you makes an another post. While I may not have been clear initially, I would disagree with the strict enforcement at this tier and would expect you and Daz to make concessions if you disagreed on what is being applied and how. You are the combatants and need to establish the parameters or you just have to trust my judgment.

However, there are literally no rules because neither of you two established them. Much of the modern deviations from Eden Era are extrapolations of the rules and common sense on how they are applicable. In the event of no stated rules you'd rely on the expectation those in the officiating position to enforce what is not described equally. Yes, the basis for these generally accepted practices is Eden Era as it is the general basis for most combat.

If I have come across as harsh, I apologize, but I absolutely hate recitations of Eden Era rules with seeming absolutes.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

Then why raise the big fuss about the rules?

You are wrong that there is no deviation in the multiple preps, even in the original rules. That was generally applicable standard for most characters (again, especially at lower tiers which this battle is not). HOWEVER, this has not applied to this battle, nor has Dazsos seemed to do multiple preparations. If you care to show where he has, I will gladly read it through closely and determine if it is a violation of the rules. You and Daz can opt to do a strict interpretation of the rules if you agree to not do multiple preps, but I do advise you tread exceptionally cautiously with that option.

Never assume a default ruleset, especially since everyone has a different background in combat.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

So what I'm understanding is that there are little to no rules actually being enforced here? I naturally assumed T1 Eden was the default ruleset, which is why I Continually quoted it since we hadn't established one of our own. Merely stating other places interpreted the rules in different ways doesn't strike me as a really convincing defense for not having any way of restricting actions. You say his actions don't 'neccessarily' constitute preps, but I can't find any conceivable reason why not if we are following the 'prep as many things as you want' logic. Do preps also not take a turn to mature, too? I have no way of knowing until it comes up.

If T1 Eden wasn't at all factored in your decision from earlier, then I am very boggled by whatever system is actually in place for yor judging.

I'm not really sure how I feel about continuing on a basis that allows for simultaneous prepping with little to no recourse. I have not been abiding by whatever system you two clearly have worked out, and to be honest, it is leading to a serious case of combat apathy.

If we are supposed to be continuing under incredibly nebulous, vague rules (or lack thereof), then I will be backing out of this fight. I will post an 'exit post' for Crystal/Corban, since I hate leaving fights as voids.

Edit: Regardless of what happens, I thoroughly enjoyed myself despite the hiccups!

@Divinity

It is on you two for establishing incredibly poor fight parameters when you started, and frankly, if we wanted to be super strict about everything, a lot of stuff both of you had done probably wouldn't have flown under original Eden Era rules (I'd have to honestly reread in close detail). Additionally, even they did not necessarily discount the possibility of multiple preps depending on the character (it was the generally accepted principle for most characters, especially at lower tiers). It was done both with the original Eden Era rulests on both the forums they originated on AND on the chat rooms that had a lot do with shaping them.

I'm not even saying we need to deviate from those rules, I'm just saying a super strict interpretation of them isn't acceptable. Seriously, chill. Everyone's been treated equally and there hasn't really been any major violations that hadn't been in scope of the fight FROM BOTH OF YOUR CHARACTERS.

I'm also not saying you can prep as much as you like (FYI lines like this kind of irk me). What Daz was describing was spells that were basically 'instant cast' which BOTH OF YOU HAVE DONE.

And actually, you worked out the damage from earlier with Melon using them. I just agreed from a strictly logical standpoint, independent of the Eden Era rules, you would have taken damage.

Innue vs Melon

It was a beautiful sunset, but sadly, Rin was not capable of enjoying it. His fiance had been sent on a separate mission by Lady Ayameko, who had a habit of selling the services of her law enforcement out to other governments. Rin's nation rarely had much for them to do, so he couldn't fault the woman for her pragmatism. Of course, that didn't make Rin any less pleased about the situation. He didn't particularly care for these types of assignments, especially given John didn't really have an expansive list of serious crimes. It was mostly insignificant street crime, but unfortunately he had proven exceptionally difficult for local authorities to deal with, which was where he came in. Aware of John's habit of engaging in brawls, for reasons Rin couldn't begin to understand, he had arranged to meet him in this precise area through a messenger at the tavern.

Rin walked calmly in from the opposite direction, also towards the tree John was approaching, with nothing more than a casual walk, his sword still sheathed at his hip. Flying likely would have been more intimidating, or even easier, but Rin hated flying. He wasn't particularly fond of heights despite the lack of ability to fall from them, and in a pinch could tolerate them, but unlike many of the others from his Order who soared as high as they could go in the sky, Rin strongly preferred being as close to the ground as sensibly possible. Even his wife was more tolerant of heights than he was.

"Mr. Poppins," Rin called from the distance, assuming they would eventually meet next to the tree, "I am glad you got the message. Now, I have records from the local precincts tying you to thefts in the area with a total value of just over 9000 of whatever your land's currency is, so if you could pay that, along with the various fines we can begin to get this resolved. I believe local laws attach some jail time as well, so if you pay promptly we may be able to work out a reduced sentence with your authorities."

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

Eden Era wasn't the only rationale for their being damage in that instance, nor would it have been my basis for determining damage.

Again, the battle didn't establish parameters and I'd disagree with rigid enforcement of original Eden Era rules (especially since they've rightly been enhanced throughout the years and the material that originally shaped them also developed to incorporate far more nuance). Many of the later adaptations to both the Eden Era's and the chat rooms generally accepted guidelines and principles didn't necessarily strictly enforce the one prep per turn (depending on the tier, characters, etc). So, as much as I'd love to use

However, @Dazsos in that instance with what you are referencing those aren't necessarily prepped spells.

Innue vs Melon

Posted Rin in char bin. I have an appointment early tomorrow morning so I won't get a post up until after that.

Innue vs Melon

”Yūdai, Rin”

Yūdai, Rin


【Full Name】
Yūdai, Rin
【Title】
N/A
【Occupation】
N/A
【Gender】
Male
【Age】
19
【Sexuality】
Straight



【Birth Country】
Kyokujitsugakure
【Current Village】
Kyokujitsugakure
【Affiliation】
Kyokujitsu no Tochi
【Shinobi Rank】
Chuunin



【Personality】
Rin is completely focused on the betterment of his nation. Even at a young age, Rin was interested in the affairs of the world and his place within it. Rin comes across as a bit too serious for many people. Rin is not particularly fond of heights despite the ability to, in essence, fly. He can tolerate them to the point where it does not cause any issues with his combat effectiveness, but avoids flying as much as possible.

【History】
Rin is the eldest son of Shadan and Suishō. He is a part of the Windspeakers, who he has trained most of his life with. In fact, Rin and his sister Kisaki were both born in the Temple of Fuujin and, according to many of the stories told within the temple, blessed by Fuujin.

Like many wartime children, Rin grew up in a period where he was uncertain what is future would be. The Temple, located near Kyokujitsgakure was a safe haven for many of the children. As such, many children in Kyokujitsu no Tochi, at least those from the Land of Fire, spent their early years with the Windspeakers or the monks from the Temple of Fire. It was there he met Roku, who also stayed at the Temple during the war, the woman he would be engaged to many years later.

Unlike his parent's romance, Roku and Rin were far from the opposites. In fact, the similarities in personality between the two unnerved many who encountered them. Rin, as focused as Roku, even as a child, behaved more as an adult than his father at even the age as young as four. Concerned with the affairs of the world and his impact, Rin pursued his training at the Temple of Fuujin with zeal. Kisaki, his sister, also trained at the Temple with him but in an entirely different from of invoking the powers of Fuujin.




【Chakra Nature(s)】

Fuuton

【Abilities and Special Traits】
Rin is a skilled swordsman. Keen and analytical, he is quite good at reading an opponent's movements. Additionally, he has strong control over his chakra. Despite being a swordsman, he is a capable hand to hand fighter as well.



【Weapons, Tools and Equipment】

Name of Weapon or Item: Kazemakase [Carried by the Wind]
Description: A sword of peculiar power. The katana maintains its appearance as a normal sword, but when swung, the blade converts entirely to wind. This wind is just as sharp as the blade, but makes blocking the sword exceptionally difficult. A native, additional ability of the Kazemakase is it's ability to create blades of wind, including the ability to control the wind created by the blade to create vacuum like effects. The range and shape of these effects are dependent on the amount of chakra put into them.

The draw techniques from this sword are exceptionally fast as Fuuton chakra can help draw the sword from it's sheath, giving Rin an incredibly fast draw with the weapon.

The third ability of the Kazemakase is the ability to read the air currents within 100 feet of themselves with incredibly accuracy. This is a unique type of wind sense in that it can differentiate between objects that have chakra and those that do not.

The last ability of this weapon is with the sheath. The sword and sheath are bonded with the individual, making them unable to be effectively used by anyone else unless the specific circumstances are met. This last ability is reminiscent of the Hyuuga's Vacuum Palm - however, this does not need to be blunt force like the Hyuuga technique. In the case of Rin and the Kazemakase, this effect is not solely limited to palm thrusts. The distance, damage, and power of this effect is based on the amount of chakra that is put into it.
Appearance: When still, Kazemakase is a beautiful sword. The blade is a silver-blue steel with symbols of Fuujin inscribed onto them. The tsuba of the katana is shaped similarly to the symbol for Fuujin. The hilt is an ordinary hilt, but is covered with a pale blue cloth. The sheath for the weapon is made of a bamboo that has been dyed a brilliant white-blue with silver symbols embellishing it.



【Kekkei Genkai】

Name of Kekkei Genkai: N/A
Clan: N/A
Description: N/A

【Canon Jutsu】

【Custom Jutsu】
Name of Technique: Megumi no Fuujin [Grace of the Wind God]
Type of Jutsu: Ninjutsu
Rank: A
Range: Personal
Nature Type: Fuuton
Handseals: 1 [Symbols of Fuujin]
Description: By channelling a constant sphere of wind chakra around himself, Windspeaker Rin is able to levitate as if held aloft by currents of wind. He gains a sphere of influence around himself with which he can manipulate wind in myriad ways. The sphere extends six feet from Windspeaker Rin in any given direction. While within the Megumi no Fuujin, Windspeaker Rin is immune to all friendly Fuuton techniques. Windspeaker Rin’s control over the wind is so proficient that he is able to essentially fly. In addition, instead of performing handsigns, Windspeaker Rin is able to invoke symbols of Fuujin with simple movements that are not necessarily restricted to movement of the hands/arms.
Weakness: N/A

Name of Technique: Megumi no Fuujin: Reitekina Yoroi [Grace of the Wind God: Spiritual Armour]
Type of Jutsu: Ninjutsu
Rank: A
Range: Variable
Nature Type: Fuuton
Handseals: 5 [Symbols of Fuujin]
Description: Windspeaker Rin condenses the Megumi no Fuujin, removing all access to its abilities except its levitation and flight, and coats himself in a thick veneer of wind. All physical projectiles that would come into contact with the armour are deflected, and Windspeaker Rin’s speed is vastly increased. In addition, Windspeaker Rin’s taijutsu attacks become significantly more deadly, using the force of the wind surrounding her to lacerate the areas she hits subcutaneously. If she would hit an open wound, he is instead able to cause major damage to internal organs in the surrounding area.
Weakness: Eliminates access to any other Grace of the Wind God techniques.

Name of Technique: Seishin no Fuujin [Spirit of the Wind God]
Type of Jutsu: Ninjutsu
Rank: A
Range: Personal
Nature Type: Fuuton
Handseals: 1 [Symbols of Fuujin]
Description: A combination defensive and offensive technique, allowing Rin to convert his entire body to an entity of wind, allowing him to pass throw many physical obstructions. This can be done in a manner that can hurt those that he passes through (he is visible as a blur during this).
Weakness: Seishin no Fuujin can only be held for short moments of times, with a maximum of a few seconds. After use, this ability cannot be used for at least 30 seconds. Rin can use a partial version of it as well, which reduces the restrictions on it dependent on what percentage of his body he transformed