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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Shit. If China had rockets thousands of years ago, then it's no wonder they were the leading contributor to modern rockets and space-flight! But they weren't. Not in real-life, at least. The fact that ancient Chinese had a limited understanding of rocketry meant jack-shit in real-life and we have very few reasons to think it would be any different in the PoW world. But I am not arguing you shouldn't have shit in space. I will grant that it is plausible. What I am arguing is that, if the Chinese were able to get their shit together (which is an exceedingly more impressive feat than Europe getting its shit together after the Great War), and somehow find the know-how to advance in rocketry, space, and reverse-engineer jets, then Europe, with the likes on Von Braun still kicking, should have had the know-how to make some goddamn jets, at the very least. I am not saying we should open up the floodgates, though. It's too late for that now. But let's stop bullshitting ourselves. And let's stop picking out the weakest, most irrelevant parts of someone's argument against the bullshit, to write up walls-of-text to try and justify the aforementioned bullshit further (like you did with your rant about resources for satellites, completely missing the point). Let's admit for a second that it's flawed as fuck to think that Europe ought to be as stunted as it is, and let's acknowledge that, at best, the stunted-world policy is our way of balancing shit. But it doesn't make sense.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

That's not the damn point though. The point is that somehow the Chinese have the technological know-how to go to space, but Europeans don't have the know-how to make goddamn jets, all because a few scientists died and they had to fight a war for a few extra years. But backward-ass China's just fine. You're talking resources when I'm talking know-how. EDIT: I am not arguing Europeans should be in space too. I am arguing that if the Chinese can somehow reach space, Europeans ought to have some fuckin' jets. It doesn't make sense for them to be stunted like that while China's flying around in space. If China has the know-how for that, then the Europeans ought to have the know-how to build some goddamn jets, at the very least.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

I do think the stunted technology goes too far, to be honest. I find it real hard to believe that a few dead scientists and a long war is enough to set the world back over fifty years. Especially considering a lot of the scientists that made a lot of the cut tech happen are probably around somewhere in Germany. I'll be honest, a lot of the justification for the stunted tech is very weak and unfounded. I sort of understand why it's in place, but it doesn't by any means make sense given the scale of this technological blackout. I have sort of rolled with it (though I do remember complaining for at least two pages back in MCF), and am okay with continuing to roll with it, but yeah, I don't really buy it. You are really grasping at straws when you try to justify it with a few dead scientists and a long war. EDIT: It's especially hard to understand the argument when you realize that China has fuckin' satellites, but because a few scientists died in Europe and they had to fight a war for a few extra years, Europeans are stuck in 1950 for life.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

I don't think we need to go too far into specifics. What is important is that jets are fast. No need to over-complicate things more than that. Speed and all that is only important if we're playing a board game.

Mutually Assured Destruction

I understand the RP is post-WWII (or its version of it). This is clear. What I meant was that I was willing to work out the history of my nation around yours, because yours is presumably our version of post-WWII Russia (or the closest thing to it). So if I decided to be our Poland, we could work out how I became independent, ect. EDIT: Anyway, I'll think of something later.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

That's a lot of development if you insist jets in the 30s were anything like the ones we have now, or even like the ones a few decades ago. By 'early development', I meant that they are comparable to the jets we had when they actually started to become a thing immediately after WWII, when jets were still far from a mastered art. Another thing to keep in mind is that these jets' computer systems are probably very primitive. So they might be comparable to real-life jets, but only if you strip them of all the fancy computer stuff and replace them with very primitive versions.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Nah, I think jets are better than prop-planes. They are not that early-development. Gorgenmast, Aaron and Byrd all make reference to them being the fastest flying things people have seen, so I'm guessing they are more like 50s and 60s jets.

Mutually Assured Destruction

Oh, herp. I meant post-WWII. And I was referring to yours being post-WWII, not mine.