I disapprove of this idea, and I strongly disapprove of NRP section existing despite gladly participating in good NRPs (and yes, I would like to see the section merged back into free/casual/advanced). Why? Quite simply because NRP section doesn't have the advantage of free/casual/advanced subdivision. It is a quagmire mess of all kinds of levels, which often cannot really be differentiated between without there being at least a dozen posts in the IC. The free/casual/advanced division instead of genres was what I most loved with RPG compared to other RPing sites.
And no - NRP is still a RP and gets along with other RPs just fine. Especially since many of those predominantly focus on characters in the nations.
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Hmm... Extreme moral opposites? I was more under the impression (from what was discussed at some point in the OldGuild OoC) that the dead would be separated to the two sides based on some rather ambiguous line between "more evil than good" and "more good than evil" that furthermore depends on the judgment of the surrounding people ... which would essentially mean that the people on the Upper Plane would be better than those sent to Lower Plane, but far most of the people on either side would not be anything even remotely close to representatives of either pure good or evil respectively. Back then you furthermore said that it perfectly possible for a person on either plane to commit deeds which make them tip over to the other side (but they wouldn't be "judged again", so they'd just stay there as people of the other alignment). - And that is not even delving into the matter of good and evil being rather subjective things, which they ultimately are.
And yeah... As I have mentioned it before, the concept of angels and demons is rather disturbing to me personally. The manner in which they are created, that is. "You do not have to kill the body to kill the person", or in this case, you do not have to destroy the soul to kill the person. Look at it as I might, I cannot see the process of becoming a demon or angel as anything else but one of the very few ways to achieve final death in a world wherein a person can be other than the body and a spiritual suicide. A person who simply has forgotten all is still the same person - the ... way things are processed, the personal kind of logic, the base personality, all those things and then some remain when memories are gone, after all. With the lesser immortals, these things do not stay from what I recall. (Which would make them much less of the same people than even the karakon are.) It would take quite the emotional overcharge and ... yeah, quite a lot to opt for something like that rather than simply a way of forgetting or overcoming and moving on, and possibly a different image to avoid being recognized. The Upper and Lower Plane have to be immense to accommodate for the people of all ages, after all, and avoiding your past shouldn't be too much of an issue. Angels are truly a sad testimony...
The entire concept of afterlife is built around (the hope of) living on past the obvious death of the body. Granted, there are many incarnations of it, and I haven't really seen one which I have considered preferable (quite often the opposite - the afterlife is notably less desirable) to simply living on in the mortal world. You can make a truly beautiful and perfect world for all the good people, but in the end simply living under easy conditions without nothing to fight for tends to lead to indifference and monotony. It is not my own conclusion here - many before me have said the same, many books have been written over the concept of all utopias being doomed to collapse for that exact reason, all scientific research I've seen has basically reached the same conclusion (though spending all on just surviving hinders progress the same) -, but I, too, feel I would rather accomplish something of significance than move on to some "perfect" plane of existence. Improve the world - even by small things such as helping a person or a two where I can - and all that. That much of an idealist I am, I suppose.
...Then again, it is perhaps the reason why immortality is a condition pursued by so many people of Reniam despite afterlife being a widely-accepted fact rather than a fairy tale or something people only hope or believe to be true, but cannot prove or know for certain.
(The line of "you do not have to kill the body to kill the person" I occasionally cite is from a book. - Sciencefictional scenario wherein many members of a culture that had long developed independently were forced into surrendering, after which they had their brains completely rewired to cover up the existence of the culture for the people who were not supposed to be aware of it, with memories and personalities and everything else being redone. The protagonist got to speak to one individual both before and after, and that experience was quite terrifying on a level you do not exactly see often in actual "horror", although with me it is one of the things which might make me actually think for a bit and register as uncomfortable.
The author as a writer is ... okay, but barring two specific reoccurring themes which I disagreed with - again, subjectivity or right and wrong, good and evil and so forth -, there were quite a few good ideas and notions I agreed with. None of his books, sadly, have been translated to English, or any other language...)
- Various other versions of afterlife that can be found elsewhere? Outside of the world of the Prophecy, I presume?
(As a random note, I briefly thought of a character that is reborn again and again (not quite in the Buddhist sense, though there would have been some inspirations otherwise - in Buddhism the "self", "I" whatever you wish to call it actually does die and only some a bit harder to define part moves on), but this one would probably have been even harder to fit in the world than Aemoten ...atop of the fact that he would not have been a fighting character. I am still slightly tempted to NPC him. Would also have him speak Sanskrit as his native language, just cause - you see Latin come up very often in (western) fantasy settings, but very rarely Sanskrit or something more exotic.)
And yeah... As I have mentioned it before, the concept of angels and demons is rather disturbing to me personally. The manner in which they are created, that is. "You do not have to kill the body to kill the person", or in this case, you do not have to destroy the soul to kill the person. Look at it as I might, I cannot see the process of becoming a demon or angel as anything else but one of the very few ways to achieve final death in a world wherein a person can be other than the body and a spiritual suicide. A person who simply has forgotten all is still the same person - the ... way things are processed, the personal kind of logic, the base personality, all those things and then some remain when memories are gone, after all. With the lesser immortals, these things do not stay from what I recall. (Which would make them much less of the same people than even the karakon are.) It would take quite the emotional overcharge and ... yeah, quite a lot to opt for something like that rather than simply a way of forgetting or overcoming and moving on, and possibly a different image to avoid being recognized. The Upper and Lower Plane have to be immense to accommodate for the people of all ages, after all, and avoiding your past shouldn't be too much of an issue. Angels are truly a sad testimony...
The entire concept of afterlife is built around (the hope of) living on past the obvious death of the body. Granted, there are many incarnations of it, and I haven't really seen one which I have considered preferable (quite often the opposite - the afterlife is notably less desirable) to simply living on in the mortal world. You can make a truly beautiful and perfect world for all the good people, but in the end simply living under easy conditions without nothing to fight for tends to lead to indifference and monotony. It is not my own conclusion here - many before me have said the same, many books have been written over the concept of all utopias being doomed to collapse for that exact reason, all scientific research I've seen has basically reached the same conclusion (though spending all on just surviving hinders progress the same) -, but I, too, feel I would rather accomplish something of significance than move on to some "perfect" plane of existence. Improve the world - even by small things such as helping a person or a two where I can - and all that. That much of an idealist I am, I suppose.
...Then again, it is perhaps the reason why immortality is a condition pursued by so many people of Reniam despite afterlife being a widely-accepted fact rather than a fairy tale or something people only hope or believe to be true, but cannot prove or know for certain.
(The line of "you do not have to kill the body to kill the person" I occasionally cite is from a book. - Sciencefictional scenario wherein many members of a culture that had long developed independently were forced into surrendering, after which they had their brains completely rewired to cover up the existence of the culture for the people who were not supposed to be aware of it, with memories and personalities and everything else being redone. The protagonist got to speak to one individual both before and after, and that experience was quite terrifying on a level you do not exactly see often in actual "horror", although with me it is one of the things which might make me actually think for a bit and register as uncomfortable.
The author as a writer is ... okay, but barring two specific reoccurring themes which I disagreed with - again, subjectivity or right and wrong, good and evil and so forth -, there were quite a few good ideas and notions I agreed with. None of his books, sadly, have been translated to English, or any other language...)
- Various other versions of afterlife that can be found elsewhere? Outside of the world of the Prophecy, I presume?
(As a random note, I briefly thought of a character that is reborn again and again (not quite in the Buddhist sense, though there would have been some inspirations otherwise - in Buddhism the "self", "I" whatever you wish to call it actually does die and only some a bit harder to define part moves on), but this one would probably have been even harder to fit in the world than Aemoten ...atop of the fact that he would not have been a fighting character. I am still slightly tempted to NPC him. Would also have him speak Sanskrit as his native language, just cause - you see Latin come up very often in (western) fantasy settings, but very rarely Sanskrit or something more exotic.)
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Is sartorous/Ink Blood by any chance waiting for you? It wasn't made very apparent whether or not he should assume control of his character right away or after Crone has healed him, but then again you wouldn't even know what condition he is in...
- Why do I imagine plenty of the reunions on the upper plane (or many other interpretations of heaven) would be rather awkward at best? From the potential awkwardness of encountering a person one once knew, but has had vastly different experiences from and forgotten most besides there having been a fondness since to discovering the loved one as moved on and remarried and what not. (The Sekalyns - who basically lack the concept of what we might recognize as marriage - and other people who have somewhat "unusual" outlook on family units and relations probably wouldn't care as much about the latter, but I imagine, say, Rodorians or deigan might have some more things to settle...)
Is sartorous/Ink Blood by any chance waiting for you? It wasn't made very apparent whether or not he should assume control of his character right away or after Crone has healed him, but then again you wouldn't even know what condition he is in...
- Why do I imagine plenty of the reunions on the upper plane (or many other interpretations of heaven) would be rather awkward at best? From the potential awkwardness of encountering a person one once knew, but has had vastly different experiences from and forgotten most besides there having been a fondness since to discovering the loved one as moved on and remarried and what not. (The Sekalyns - who basically lack the concept of what we might recognize as marriage - and other people who have somewhat "unusual" outlook on family units and relations probably wouldn't care as much about the latter, but I imagine, say, Rodorians or deigan might have some more things to settle...)
...To be honest, I *have* been picturing the door as being roughly in the center of the broader side of the building ever since the the arrival to the borderhouse. Whoops. Still seems a bit strange that he'd be able to draw such conclusion by sight (fair point about Aemoten, though), but it isn't really important ... if he did, then he did. And yeah, Aemoten started off moving towards Etakar.
Huh... He managed to conclude the room was empty with a single glance despite being eighty feet away from the door (which should leave rather narrow field of vision, even more so with an elongated building such as the borderhouse) and the outside being rather bright compared to the interior? In any case, is he watching/looking at anyone specific at the time being?
Ah... I did think the number of halberdiers didn't match up when he was listing them down from sixteen in his mind a number of posts back (I have now edited said post).
(I suppose it might be easiest if cthulu posts first, and then to post as Olan, rather than detail the guards' actions separately? With Jaelnec it doesn't matter as much, since we have two scenes once more. Just a random thought.)
Okay, and RPG certainly has been acting up even worse for me today. Before now it loaded once at around 4 PM or so, and in the morning before 9 (I've been checking once-twice in an hour).
(I suppose it might be easiest if cthulu posts first, and then to post as Olan, rather than detail the guards' actions separately? With Jaelnec it doesn't matter as much, since we have two scenes once more. Just a random thought.)
Okay, and RPG certainly has been acting up even worse for me today. Before now it loaded once at around 4 PM or so, and in the morning before 9 (I've been checking once-twice in an hour).
There should be a bit over dozen people on the roof if no one has gotten off. There were sixteen guards in the beginning - two are dead and one is the rune mage outside, which leaves thirteen guards and Olan along with Beatrice (Beatrice is the raven).
Bleh... Roleplayerguild has been seriously acting up for me these past few days. Either it says the guild is temporarily down, loads only some of the page (and almost never the reply box), keeps loading indefinitely... Some other people have complained over similar problems, too, but it appears I am especially unlucky with the times I check here.
Bleh... Roleplayerguild has been seriously acting up for me these past few days. Either it says the guild is temporarily down, loads only some of the page (and almost never the reply box), keeps loading indefinitely... Some other people have complained over similar problems, too, but it appears I am especially unlucky with the times I check here.
Okay. Once I am back (have to fetch a few things and buy food ... which I probably won't enjoy too much since the apparently long-lasting lovely high-humidity 34C weather is back again after three somewhat cooler days) I will write a short addition to the post with the assumption that the guards/Thaler/Olan left the roof before Aemoten retreated back into the building and walked out. (As I read out, I've given the permission to assume as much; correct me if I am wrong.)
( - It was one of the questions/gods/random-PMs you made that statement about the outcome of the god-conflict in, for the matter.)
And yeah... On Gerald being an interesting character - I certainly agree. (If you recall, I supported going with Jillian finding Gerald for that exact reason.)
( - It was one of the questions/gods/random-PMs you made that statement about the outcome of the god-conflict in, for the matter.)
And yeah... On Gerald being an interesting character - I certainly agree. (If you recall, I supported going with Jillian finding Gerald for that exact reason.)
Note: I am aware that my last post might not be the easiest to write a reply to - I mainly left it there just because I didn't want to take control of Thaler/the guardsfolk too much (although Hymusia said Thaler would basically just do whatever is asked of her for the time being). Well, and Etakar apparently decided to wait this turn out. If it would help and the guardsfolk (and Thaler and Olan) do get off the roof, etc, I could write Aemoten enter the other scene?
Lots of posts indeed... Typed something quick up myself, if slightly delayedly.
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