Shienvien

De’ Seil Carnival - Soul Collecting Carnival

You can put hiders in hiders, actually... The nesting/inside hider has to be simply called hider2. (Can't go deeper than level two, though.)

(Picture requirements... If I am ever to make character for the RP, then let it be known that unless I can use a sketch I myself made, I won't have any - I principially don't use other peoples' pictures, at least without explicit permission. Most places in the world actually have such use as illegal - somewhat rarely enforced ... although at least one site I mod has gotten real lawsuits for users doing it - unless it is stated by the owner that the picture can be taken. In any case, it would at least be respectful to link the source and credit photographer/model under image...)

The Prophecy

I recall that, Ashgan - my question, though, is more about about ... how that determining happens? What breaks when the soul is no longer there?

[Yeah, I am trying to make fantasy make sense in terms of reality, once more. Or, well, get an explanation to why would things not work as they do in reality in the said fantasy-world. Cue biochemistry, physics and ideology discussion as the real world is brought to focus as an object of comparison.]

The Prophecy

Technically, you don't even need to make the photons be absorbed by something - simply managing to get enough photons into a small enough space is one of the things which can cause spontaneous conversion, for example. (- Energy to matter is in reality slightly inaccurate, since you're essentially just taking particles carrying one kind of energy and turning them into particles carrying another kind of energy ... fermion to boson would be more apt way of putting it.) Also, I realized after posting the last OoC message that there is another, rather obvious case which not only suggests that creating matter is possible, but presumably simply goes forth and does it: lightning magic. Something that, I figure, follows the exact same laws you just described as the light-creating magic does. I also can't help to think that all at least semi-successful attempts to create matter inevitably resulted in blocks of pseudo-quarks, packed tight like the insides of a neuron star, and immediately after a subsequent explosion. Since, hey, how are middle-age Reniam people supposed to know that "solid" is actually mostly empty space within which sparse clumps of particles float? I'd think having wrong ideas about something can have even worse consequences than simply the lack of knowledge.
- And yeah, at least as far as I am concerned, what you wrote makes perfect sense.

Sort-of-relatedly, I have also been pondering over *why* would a soulless body die (let alone in a rather disturbing or gruesome manner) rather than just live on as a being without magic or afterlife, but I have the distinct feeling that this particular conversation would end up being more a combination of physics, biochemistry and ideology discussion and recounting of various more or less personal experiences and findings than something that directly relates to the RP if to be taken any farther from here ... and unquestionably interesting as those topics might be, I figure I should better not further distract you from pondering over the IC posts that much (well, and I might be diverting the OoC a bit *too* often to begin with ... possibly?). - I also had to stop myself from writing a rather elaborate comparison of magic as it is in Reniam and tergan magic (the most common and diverse form of magic in my fantasy worlds [second common is the "absolutes' magic", native to deities and a number of other super-beings ... then there are semi-realistic extreme examples of what is essentially conscious or semi-conscious control of one's body functions (I have mentioned such practices before), a number of things vaguely derived from various folklores/tales ... exotic non-mainstream stuff], uh, in any case, tergan magic is the thing which people almost exceptionlessly think of when the word "magic" is spoken, to recap) complete with the analysis of said differences somewhere along the way. (I don't know how interesting something like that would be to you all?)

@cthulu: Tried to send you a short e-mail from one of my main more general-purpose accounts so you'd have an e-mail address for contacting me, too (also will find out whether or not any spambots will try to eat it - it would be unfortunate if it happened when there was no other contact and it was not discovered before ... even if I personally do check the spam folder every now and then. Those pesky overzealous bots have attempted to smuggle aside contracts and other important stuff before.).

The Prophecy

Ah, but you see here is what was always my issue - if you can make photons out of magical energy and still have energy to spare, you automatically can also make that which is commonly referred to as matter. Photons themselves naturally turn into matter all the time (and vice versa, obviously), as I've mentioned. Granted, in the last quarter of the now-gone OoC, you did briefly mention that what limits the ability of people to form matter is not so much the impossibility of it, but lack of knowledge. (I don't know whether you redid some of the theory behind the magic in the world, since previously you've said things that contradicted a bit. [If knowing what light is like suffices to make photons, why doesn't the same apply to matter? More different particles?])
- I probably have specified it already, but I tend to approach these matters from the quantum physicist perspective (something I first took interest in myself ... and then got back to with a wide circle a long time later, through quantum cryptography and everything else), and that one is rather adamant on there being practically no difference whatsoever (it is one of the few things on which most - if not practically all - of the quantum theories actually agree on) whether you're making photons or, say, quarks.
If we were to dissect things further - old question, again -, then if there is magical energy, then what is magic itself (besides something that is present in living things and the Spirit Realm)? Energy is only something's potential to affect something else, and thusly cannot exist on its own, but must necessarily always belong to something - to "carrier"-particles, so to speak. Well, and once again vice versa, since that which carries no energy can't obviously affect anything...
[Okay, I *will* stop here.]

Uhh... How many things you'd have to take account of when writing the collab-post? Can I help with it, somehow? I know I promised to elaborate further on Koraakan and those matters (and have been idly pondering about how exactly to put it all)...

(I occasionally tend to make small notes for myself, too, utilizing whatever paper surface I find available in vicinity ... I never use said notes, and I clear them out quite often, but I guess there simply is something about actually writing things down on paper...? - And moreso, not simply writing them down in one of the half-dozen text files filled with random snippets present on literally all of my desktops. Nothing beats writing all your login info for different sites on brightly colored post-it notes and sticking those to the edge of your monitor as one person I know does, though.)

Submit post error

I was getting errors (501, Not Implemented) back then whenever I tried to post or edit one of the existing posts. Page itself loaded blank as the OP described. Anything done did get through, but with a delay.

The Prophecy

Ah, good, the thing's back up.

@cthulu: Yep, it is obviously Jack's post next on the collab-side of things. (My question back then was largely aimed at Merc/Rhae and everyone else.)

Random question of the day: Would the light from the ???-character's runesword (or most other magical invocations of light [where do they take all those photons from?]) hurt vampires? Or, more generally, what in Reniam's case makes it so that, say, the light from a campfire wouldn't, but a sun's light would hurt a vampire?
- (I usually tend to think they are especially sensitive to (some part of) the ultraviolet spectrum - well, so are humans, though we just get sunburned if we get too much of it, and more so when the individual under question is light-skinned ... except me, for some reason, even if I am paler than almost all other people I know. I have never gotten sunburned to a notable extent, even when everyone else does badly.)

The Prophecy

That ... is a rather disturbingly long time for one to remain unconscious, especially since Aemoten would heal her (actual full unconsciousness is usually fairly brief, unless there is something very, very wrong). To be honest I don't even know what he would do if she is to remain out for a longer time at this point - not impossibly, he might actually decide to delay moving on until she has at least woken up (since at the moment, he cares about her well-being more than necessarily reaching Zerul this day). Or, alternatively, he would actually attempt to wake her up otherwise... I don't know what he does before I type it out, in other words.

The Prophecy

- Just in case, is anyone waiting for someone specific to post / do something?

Um....PM's

Deletion of threads is *not* something I would ever support, unless the only post in said thread is your own. Just imagine coming on just to discover all your hard work and character has vanished overnight because the OP had an argument with another user and overreacted...

The Prophecy

Okay, made a quick edit to the end of the post - is this version good with you?

(And now I am really going make get myself something proper to eat and get a few more things done. I think I've more or less sustained myself on only apples and tea since the last midday... It has been a quite taxing week indeed.)