So Boerd

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Magic Magnum said
1. Yes, but we ain't psychic. If someone comes up and says "I am doing this cause of God!" we can safely assume they are doing it because of God. In the same way that someone went "I am doing this because there is no God!" we can assume that's their reason. Except no one had said this, you are suggesting hidden motivations. Which although very plausible (if not most likely, everyone will have some motivations they keep to themselves) you are at no position or ability to judge or determine them. Is it theoretically possible for an atheist to start a violent purge of religious people because they are religious? Sure, humanity produces some very messed up people. But do we have any recorded cases (Not assumed from an absence of religion motivation) of that being the motivation? Nope.2. More precisely, killed because they worshipped/believed something that wasn't there leader. They could have gone around worshipping their local baker and they'd still get killed. It was about praising something other than their leader, not about the fact they were religious.3. Yea, I would. Because it proves itself to have religious motivations, but it doesn't so it's not a religion. In the same way that if I happened to believe in God that would make me religious. That's not a double standard, that's just fact. Belief/worship of a God is religion.

1. Let me posit an alternate explanation.

Raw, unadulterated military predation has been, up until recently, perfectly acceptable. The Romans killed you and took your stuff without any qualm nor issue. Barbarian tribes across Europe quibbled with and slaughtered each other. Genghis Khan. The Persians in Greece, Alexander in Persia and India. The Vikings raided with no aims to spread their faith.

Enter Christianity to Europe, whose prime teacher is Jesus Christ and whose Council of Jerusalem nullifies the argument you are indubitably about to make with the OT. Christ preaches nonviolence, and loving thy neighbor. While predation does not end, it now has to resolve the cognitive dissonance certainly in the minds of rulers and soldiers, Christianity's adherents, on the contrast between this predation and their religion. Get the Pope to sanction it, (Crusades and Norman Invasion), claim the guys whose stuff you want is perverting the faith or you have rights to his land, whatever. You had to have SOME form of justification. Rather than SPARK conflict, religion helped neutralize it.

2. So religion is by and large a bulwark against totalitarianism? Glowing endorsemen by Mao and Stalin, that they felt thr religious a threat to their rule.

3. Just as saying "There is no God" is Atheistic. If "You die for Christianity!" Is killing for religion, "You die for Communism!" Is killing for Atheism.

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Magic Magnum said
Crusade? Please, list one person I hurt let alone killed by making my points here. Plus once again, you do not see China, North Korea or Russia or saying "Praise be unto there being no God! We do this in the name of no god!" but you see it all the time with religion with cases such as ISIS, Westboro Baptists etc. And you're completely looking over the fact I already agreed all men can be guilty of such acts, but Religion acts an enhancer... which is essentially my entire argument.

You may flail and cling to this last plank of the sunken ship of your argument all you like, but you'll need something stronger.

1. Stated motivations differ from actual motivations. Removing the excuse does not stop the war.

2. Many religious in Cambodia, China, and the USSR were killed for their religion, so there's that.

3. If Communism had as its core "Jesus is the lord!" You would call it a religion. So drop the double standard.

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Denying God with the purpose of treating the Dictator like a God. Nothing in atheism involves worshipping a man like a God.
Also, I'm not changing the definition of religion. I'm just noting that the actions of communism tend to be very similliar to the way religion acts.

Precisely because those tendencies to heed unquestioningly to authority in the comission of atrocities are not unique to religion (which most believers do not heed unquestioningly, particularly in secular matters) and as proven by the recent historical record, are MORE common amongst the non-believers. The leadership of the most oppressive state on earth is Atheist. They are universal among men, so you don't accomplish anything by this, dare I say, crusade against it.

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Magic Magnum said
We've covered this with you many times now Boerd. Communism, Mao, Stalin etc. were never done in the name of atheism. They were simply assholes who wanted power, never did the go "In the name of there being no god!" or anything like that. Hell those examples are actually very religious by nature, setting someone in charge and forcing everyone to essentially worship them, treat their word as law and giving them unlimited power.

Were done in the name of Communism, which has as a core tenet the denial of God. If Communism had as a core tenet "Christ was God", you'd call it a religion. The Thirty Years' war and Sack of Constantinople prove that most "religious" conflict is the result of secular reasons anyway. They would have found another reason to fight.

Also, you don't get to change the definition of religion.

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Magic, condemn then only those who "raise their children to hate science", and not the rest of us unless you're prepared for atheism to accept ideological responsibility for the crimes of Communism. And, those during the far less bloody Crusades didn't know any better, having been raised to think that way and knowing no alternative. What was Mao or Stalin's excuse, having seen a peaceful, modern society and then chose a brutal murderous totalitarian state?

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AA = Alcoholics Anonymous.
It wasn't an atheist reference like you seem to think it is.

And most atheists I find were atheists cause they were either raised without a religion, or were raised religiously and then found it didn't make sense.
Barely do I find an atheist who is doing it out of rebellion or hate for the world.

1. I didn't say otherwise.

2. "Doesn't make sense" and what I said are not exclusive.

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Oh, you think just Islam does bad stuff in the name of religion...

Recently? Essentially yes. More people are murdered by the clinically insane than the Christians in the name of Christianity, which we may consider the "Margin of error" for statistically significant violence. Even that Anders guy in Norway beloved by the media because he fit the narrative turned out to be an Atheist interested in perserving Christian culture, which is not the same thing.

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Though the Mule part? Then I'd suggest they see a doctor... :/

Why are you so sapionormative? Why can't you accept them for who they are?

doesn't change the fact that areas still have to fight to get people a proper education because Religion is so against it

Funny thing is, if you had been more specific and said "Islam", THAT would have been considered offensive, but condemning all of us is fine.

Then advocate for the destruction of Islam specifically, and leave us alone.

It also doesn't change the fact that many people are drawn into it when more vulnerable, either having their mental state taken advantage of or in cases such as AA an outright requirement.

I think you'll find the run of the mill atheist is not the rationalist as yourself, but was moved to it by tragedy. I've been all over the internet and very rarely are they a Dawkins. The most common argument is "The world SUCKS, so no God!"

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Magic Magnum said
1) Preying on the young, poor, depressed, vulnerable and addicted2) Church donations, and then buy a giant golden cross... with a golden throne, and crown. And a golden toilet while we're at it.

Why do you have such a visceral reaction to religion? Why can't you tolerate us? You would not behave this way if someone said they felt like a man, a woman, and a mule at the same time, so why hate on those who believe in God? There are very Nobel Laureates which believe in God, so clearly Science isn't being hindered. You have already said morality doesn't exist, so there go your moral judgements about it.

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But proof and evidence does need to be provided, scientific proof and evidence.

Proof doesn't exist. Look up Munchhausen Trilemma